New Kindle soon?

[tomsem]

I still don’t understand where the market for eInk devices with stylus is. I’m not in it myself. At least for now, 6.8” screen is sweet for me, I’m not looking for something larger for ebooks, much less PDFs.

Even with regular eInk device you can use a stylus. You just cannot free form annotate. And that seems to make sense only for fixed layout books. For reflowable text what happens to your scribbles if you change the text size? And if it is doing handwriting recognition, good luck with that on a low powered eInk device.

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by tomsem

At least for now, 6.8” screen is sweet for me, I’m not looking for something larger for ebooks, much less PDFs.

That's what I thought, until I tried 8''.

[hleo12]

Originally Posted by tomsem

I still don’t understand where the market for eInk devices with stylus is. I’m not in it myself. At least for now, 6.8” screen is sweet for me, I’m not looking for something larger for ebooks, much less PDFs.

Me too. I can't see myself owning one.

They're advertised as being used for note-taking in a professional/university setting. But at their price point (400-600 usd, sometimes more), why not just buy a high end tablet or even a chromebook.

e-ink is just still too slow, even with high performance turned on.

I can't help but giggle whenever I see reviews of those 10" android e-ink tablets.

[hleo12]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

That's what I thought, until I tried 8''.

I could make a joke, but I'm trying to be mature these days.

What e-reader has an 8" screen?

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by hleo12

I could make a joke, but I'm trying to be mature these days.

What e-reader has an 8" screen?

Kobo Sage.

[Sonnenfee]

Originally Posted by hleo12

What e-reader has an 8" screen?

Tolino Epos 2, Kobo Forma, Kobo Sage have 8" screen.

[hleo12]

That's interesting. I haven't looked into Kobos (at least the "high end" ones) since the Glo.

Most ereaders I've come across are either 6", 7", or 10".

I like 'em smaller. I would've chosen the Kobo Mini instead of the Glo if it had a front light when I was buying my first e-ink device.

I'd like to stay around the 6" range, but most e-reader manufacturers right now are releasing bigger screens. This is making my next upgrade a pain.

[Uncle Robin]

I am curious about this possibility. I wonder if the Sage has been enough of a success for Amazon to decide that it needs to play catch up by filling a gap in its range? Ever since since switching from Kindle to Kobo 4 years ago, I've gone up in screen size from 6 to 6.8 to 7 and now to 8, which size has long been a point of difference for Kobo. It makes sense for Amazon to offer a larger screen note-capable reader if only to stop current Kindle users who like the idea looking elsewhere.

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by tomsem

I still don’t understand where the market for eInk devices with stylus is. I’m not in it myself. At least for now, 6.8” screen is sweet for me, I’m not looking for something larger for ebooks, much less PDFs.

Even with regular eInk device you can use a stylus.

No, not like Apple pencil, or Surface Pen or a Wacom stylus.

Originally Posted by tomsem

You just cannot free form annotate. And that seems to make sense only for fixed layout books. For reflowable text what happens to your scribbles if you change the text size? And if it is doing handwriting recognition, good luck with that on a low powered eInk device.

The note taking eink gadgets have a digitiser. A dumb stylus on a touch screen is poor resolution. The Advanced notebook (Sage, Elipsa) has handwriting recognition using Nebo. The stylus is electronics based.

Actually the Elipsa/Sage annotation is still best with touch and onscreen keyboard. The stylus input is useless for that as you can't export text annotation. I only used the stylus annotation on some PDF manuals to add additional info to read on the Elipsa, though if you copy back the PDF it might have the annotations. That doesn't work with real ebooks (epub).

The Sage Advanced Notebooks can replace taking text notes on a phone or a paper notebook. You can do limited maths formula, visio style shapes and free form sketch as well as handwriting to text. A docx export has all of it and txt export is plain text with only converted text.

The Notebooks won't work with a keyboard. The notes window on Annotation will work with BT external or onscreen touch keys, but not with stylus.

So for

• epub use like any Kobo with no Stylus. Stylus will scribble, but pointless
• PDF some ability to scribble on it. Most use on 10" Elipsa for manuals.
• Advance Notebook is a ewriter, but ONLY works with Stylus (but fast). Copy/Paste as yet useless.
• Basic Notebook is simply a multipage dumb sketch pad exported as png or PDF. Best avoided as Advanced Notebook can be used like this with images in docx.

[rcentros]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

That's what I thought, until I tried 8''.

I tried a 7.8" reader before the 6.8" one. I never use the Tolino Epos (too heavy for me and I don't like the "too long" lines at the font size I like to read with), but I do still use the Aura HD (6.8") from time to time. Mostly, though, I just use 6" readers. Personal preference.

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by rcentros

I tried a 7.8" reader before the 6.8" one. I never use the Tolino Epos (too heavy for me and I don't like the "too long" lines at the font size I like to read with), but I do still use the Aura HD (6.8") from time to time. Mostly, though, I just use 6" readers. Personal preference.

Choice is good. It's a shame Amazon and Kobo don't have 5" and 4" models too.
I'm least likely to read a novel on the 10" (weight) and I realised within in days that my on Sale DXG (9.7") from Amazon USA was not a bargain, too heavy, too slow, too low resolution. But I'd given my PW3 to wife. I eventually got the original Kobo H2O, but later I bought a PW3 again just after PW4 came out. I was given a S/H PRS350 5" as a present and it's really nice.

I'd not give up any of the ereaders. It's not like laptops, where you only need one unless you are often testing stuff that might break a laptop, but a laptop can take external screen.

[tomsem]

Originally Posted by Quoth

No, not like Apple pencil, or Surface Pen or a Wacom stylus.



The note taking eink gadgets have a digitiser. A dumb stylus on a touch screen is poor resolution. The Advanced notebook (Sage, Elipsa) has handwriting recognition using Nebo. The stylus is electronics based.

Actually the Elipsa/Sage annotation is still best with touch and onscreen keyboard. The stylus input is useless for that as you can't export text annotation. I only used the stylus annotation on some PDF manuals to add additional info to read on the Elipsa, though if you copy back the PDF it might have the annotations. That doesn't work with real ebooks (epub).

The Sage Advanced Notebooks can replace taking text notes on a phone or a paper notebook. You can do limited maths formula, visio style shapes and free form sketch as well as handwriting to text. A docx export has all of it and txt export is plain text with only converted text.

The Notebooks won't work with a keyboard. The notes window on Annotation will work with BT external or onscreen touch keys, but not with stylus.

So for

• epub use like any Kobo with no Stylus. Stylus will scribble, but pointless
• PDF some ability to scribble on it. Most use on 10" Elipsa for manuals.
• Advance Notebook is a ewriter, but ONLY works with Stylus (but fast). Copy/Paste as yet useless.
• Basic Notebook is simply a multipage dumb sketch pad exported as png or PDF. Best avoided as Advanced Notebook can be used like this with images in docx.

Thanks for the description of Kobo functionality. A dumb stylus has its uses as a fingertip substitute, keeps fingerprints off the screen, and that’s what I had in mind, not handwriting.

I’ve used Nebo on iPad a little, of course now HWR is built in to iPadOS now so there’s no need for it. I’ve yet to get very comfortable with it.

I’m not much for taking notes or using notebook apps, and don’t have need to mark up PDFs. iPad is better at this stuff in any case, so devices like this don’t have any appeal for me.

[Quoth]

Yes. I got a €1.50 dumb stylus for a friend with big fingers and bad eyesight. I tested it first and it worked on IR Kobo, Capacitive kobo and all the phones and tablets. So I bought 4 more for the house. Very handy.

So a plus vote from me for the dumb stylus. An iPad Mini here seems to cost more than the Elipsa (bought in local Argos and that day cheaper than Amazon UK or DE). I have a Lenovo as a Tablet, just for content consumption. My Grandson has to have an iPad for school and he thinks it's rubbish for content creation compared to his laptop.

[kyôdai]

Of course, this story made the news:

-> https://goodereader.com/blog/kindle/...-functionality

No mention of MobileRead as the source... But as always GoodEreader thinks "the friend of a random forum user" seems reliable enough to present this story as fact.

[rcentros]

Originally Posted by kyôdai

Of course, this story made the news:

-> https://goodereader.com/blog/kindle/...-functionality

No mention of MobileRead as the source... But as always GoodEreader thinks "the friend of a random forum user" seems reliable enough to present this story as fact.

How many times did they state that a new Voyage was on its way? And they were always citing "informed sources."

Shameless.