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I'm with DD both philosophically and practically here.
And I think the thread title is pretty close to the mark. I would be more concerned if someone proved that the devices were listening and collecting data NOT during an interaction, but when they were supposedly "off." I do use physical shutters on my webcams and physical disconnects on my mics when possible. That's about the extent of my privacy paranoia for the stuff I use. Where I have other concerns, I just don't use that stuff. I did find one part of the article amusing: Amazon's response to the study was basically "Wrong! It's not 30 times higher ad bids...more like 28.5 or so.... |
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I must admit that I love the convenience of my smart speakers, and I really enjoy streaming Amazon music. I assume they analyze my voice requests for marketing purposes. I realize Amazon could also eavesdrop, but I’m not particularly worried about it. I doubt they do, but if anyone did listen in, they’d quickly move on to something more interesting.
The internet is everywhere. I think every person has to choose who they’re going to dance with. I’m comfortable with Amazon’s agenda - it just wants to get better at selling me things. That already happens every time I use a search engine, or place an online order somewhere. But I’m not naïve, and I protect my privacy. That’s why I’ve never joined Facebook or Twitter, etc. Unfortunately, many serious breaches are beyond our personal control. A few years ago, a bank notified me that they’d ‘misplaced’ a digital device with thousands of customers’ info on it, including mine. Then, two years later a car company notified me of a similar breach. The province next door had it’s healthcare system hijacked for ransom. It’s very common - the horses have left the barn. So though I’m not worried about Amazon, I do worry about state sponsored / bad actors penetrating our data systems, compromising critical infrastructures, ransom-wear, etc. I also worry about deliberate disinformation campaigns. Collectively, we really are quite vulnerable. Last edited by Victoria; 04-29-2022 at 03:01 PM. |
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There is a quote in there from a guy who says there's "lots of evidence" that some devices ("the broader market") record without a wake word being spoken, but no specifics are given, and he's not seemingly talking about Alexa, or the audio in the main claim. For all I know, the juxtaposition of that quote with the actual claim of the article may just be intentionally sowing FUD. While it's a possibility, I tend to think, given the popularity of Alexa, and the number of hacktivists who can use tools like Wireshark, that if Alexa was sending home audio when she wasn't supposed to, it would be well publicized by now. Last edited by ApK; 04-29-2022 at 05:09 PM. |
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But it's true that the decision to care would likely cost something - not convenience, probably actual dollars. If companies get less data to profit from then they are going to want some other compensation. But if everyone cared that cost per individual would likely be nominal. |
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I'm, I think, with DiapDealer on this. If someone at Google wants to spend their lunchtime laughing about my musical taste (includes barbershop quartets), go ahead.
As for the thread title, that's so 20th century. Lately there are a boatload of studies on water that will never float anything: Effect of Hydrate Shell Formation on the Stability of Dry Water |
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I love the convenience of the speakers and it's part of the bargain. But any argument that Google isn't listening to all conversations in range and using them for marketing is absolute bullshit. And I'm a Google fan. Aside from my six speakers, I have a Pixel phone and my phone company is Google-Fi, so I'm not trying to smear them. Last edited by ZodWallop; 04-29-2022 at 09:23 PM. |
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My wife often remarks about the same thing. But since we have Amazon devices, and given their sometimes hostile competition, I doubt Alexa is that well integrated with Google's ads, so I'm guessing it's coincidence or whatever that effect is that makes you notice more of certain model of car on the road right after you get that model yourself. On the other hand, we have Android phones, so maybe Google is constantly monitoring those..... ![]() |
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If I can remember, I'll try talking about Italian Vegan food and see how long it takes for my phone to coincidentally think I might be interested in that. Quote:
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There's a few open source smart AI systems out there. Mycroft which is probably the biggest of them by default passes your voice to a server to process. There are other ones that don't need it like Rhasspy but you get limited canned phrases that you have to specifically train. |
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