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You know what, sweetie? I would rather buy the book for you and have YOU look and see, than to try to explain it. Seriously. Ping me and lemme know if you want it.
Warning--buy head protection first, so that when you start clunking your head on the desk, I won't suffer guilt that I caused you brain-damage. Hitch |
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There are more than 983 links back there, trust me. What's interesting is that this book, too, has footnotes and endnotes--and the latter are NOT linked. You click and guess what? Nuthin'. That's what. Hitch |
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It's a bit unkind to call that a Churchill book. It's actually an Andrew Roberts book!
Sounds like Mr Roberts committed the sort of nonsense up with which Churchill would not have put. |
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The thing is a horror, in eBook format. I don't know what they did, what they were thinking...it's boggy as hell (which, yes, was going to occur with over 1100 pages), and the reality I faced, when I clicked links that took me to the NOTES section, but *not to the note in question,* that was pretty mind-blowing. Hitch |
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I'll have to add that to my notes. Superior Letters is the term, and you can find more examples here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_letter There's also the Ordinal Indicator (a little superscript 'a' or 'o' or '°' [degree sign] that used while marking first/second/third place): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordinal_indicator Quote:
If you want to send me a DRM-free version for research purposes, I'd be open though. Quote:
Within the text, they're superscripted. They're also jammed together, so if two notes are next to each other, you get: 1fn1 ![]() (Another reason why brackets are good in ebooks, then you'll see a more distinct "[1][fn1]".) When you jump to the actual note chapters... Endnotes are jammed into one enormous paragraph with a bunch of non-breaking spaces between. Something along these lines: Code:
<p><a href=""><span class="bold">1</span></a><span class="bold">.</span> WSC, <span class="italic">Marl</span> I p. 33 <a href=""><span class="bold">2</span></a><span class="bold">.</span> James, ‘Churchill, the Man’ p. 5 <a href=""><span class="bold">3</span></a> [...] Footnotes, you get all of them wrapped in <blockquote> + centered... and similarly ugly code with millions of useless non-breaking spaces before/after numbers: Code:
<blockquote><span> <sup><small><a href=""><span>fn1 </span></a></small></sup> So nicknamed because of his earliest courtesy title, the Earl of Sunderland, rather than because of his disposition.</span></blockquote> ![]() And this thing was published in 2018!!! How does this abomination not have a KQN (Kindle Quality Notice)? That big, red banner should be scaring away buyers and knock some sense into whoever created that hideous thing. Last edited by Tex2002ans; 05-20-2021 at 02:30 PM. |
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With all those links, there are some that don't work? WOW! |
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I have no idea if this abomination can be fixed. I would drop all of the footnotes as WTF does this mean OB I p. 19 and CS I p. 293. The notes are meaningless. |
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Abbreviations General AP Avon Papers at Birmingham University Archives [...] CS ed. Robert Rhodes James, Winston S. Churchill: His Complete Speeches, published in New York in eight volumes in 1974 [...] OB The Official Biography of Sir Winston Churchill. Vols. I and II by Randolph S. Churchill and vols. III to VIII by (Sir) Martin Gilbert, published in eight volumes between 1966 and 1988: OB I Winston S. Churchill: Youth 1874–1900 1966 Thousands of extra words would be needed if you were writing out the entire full (or even short) title... turning your 1100 page book into 1400. (See Side Note below for real-life example.) Another Abbreviations Example Dumas Malone wrote a fantastic 6-volume work on Thomas Jefferson, "Jefferson and His Time". Each one is ~600 pages with ~1000-1500 footnotes each. Towards the end of each book, he had a chapter with a "List of Short Titles": Code:
Ford Writings of Thomas Jefferson, ed. by P. L. Ford. [...] LC Library of Congress. Unless otherwise indicated the references are to the Jefferson Papers.
would be equivalent to the fully written out form:
* * * Complete Side Note: Short Titles + Selected Bibliography Short Titles can also be done in 2 ways. By using:
For example, a few years ago I worked on a 600-page History book with ~2000 footnotes. Here was the full citations before I got my hands on them:
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+ Selected Bibliography:
Isn't that so much more readable? ~500 fully-typed out citations were condensed into 88 in the Selected Bibliography. Using Short Titles, ~3000 words were shaved from the book. Let's say your book was still too long (like 1100 pages)... you'd cut thousands more words just by changing Short Title -> Abbreviations:
You can see how that would cut down the size of footnotes dramatically. Last edited by Tex2002ans; 05-20-2021 at 07:13 PM. |
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But the abbreviations would mean either having to try to remember what they mean or having to go and refer to the list when you did forget.
Given that most people don't care about what book some passage or information came from, I would just dump the footnotes. Then I can dump the sections that the footnotes refer to. |
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Looking after this archeological and nice post, I feel eleven years younger. ![]() https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sh...0&postcount=70 What I find interesting, is that the sup tag here uses three attributes (the values of which are moreless a matter of taste) and the three of them concur nicely to provide a stable display for the superscript text. That was also my major point (nothing new). - vertical-align (I've chosen text-top) - font-size (I've chosen smaller) - line-height (I've chosen 1) Now a note on note anchors (no more superscript only). As many still use brackets (I understand there is a need to enlarge the clicking surface, but I can't help thinking it looks artificial and it should not be a long term solution), these users have to take into account the sheer height of a bracket versus a plain digit or a lowcase letter. It must have an unfavourable impact over the vertical positioning of the note anchor. It would seem logical to replace the bracket by a dash so as not to perturb it but this would have to face established usage... Well... Last edited by roger64; 05-20-2021 at 10:01 PM. Reason: 1 |
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