Cybook ebooks firmware capabilities - Page 2

ErwinOtten · 12-23-2008, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Pulp

No, no sarcasm

- the idea was to display the current pagenumber together with the total so that you can see where you currently are - and bookeen wanted to add that.

I would prefer it if Bookeen would put it in a more accessible place instead of having to go to the go-to-page-box.......

Pulp · 12-23-2008, 04:06 PM

Well, I can (and I know I'm almost alone with it) see why they prefer to have the bar instead of the pagenumbers - as the bar represents a percentage-value and therefore really is independent from fontsizes it's the only thing close to an accurate position in your book you can get. I do though understand why people want the pagenumbers nontheless.

The only time I miss it is when I do an update (like correcting typos) while in the middle of a book and I have to try & error to find again where I was.

tompe · 12-23-2008, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pulp

Well, I can (and I know I'm almost alone with it) see why they prefer to have the bar instead of the pagenumbers - as the bar represents a percentage-value and therefore really is independent from fontsizes it's the only thing close to an accurate position in your book you can get. I do though understand why people want the pagenumbers nontheless.

You can parse the html code and get a more accurate progress bar. Now they count header text for example which lead to the inaccurate progress bar for short html files with large headers.

I think what most people want to have is some number. It do not have to be page number. Now it is really very hard to do things like reading 1/10 of the book. And some people like to be able to do these kind of things.

Jellby · 12-24-2008, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Pulp

Well, I can (and I know I'm almost alone with it) see why they prefer to have the bar instead of the pagenumbers

They could have both, a bar and a pair of numbers "42/327", even if the numbers are not real page numbers, but just estimated page numbers.

Now, the problem is what to do when the estimated page numbers are not accurate. Say the estimated page number is 327 but the real page number (the number of pages you have to skip to reach the end) is 350. I'd have no problem with the current "page number" not changing after pressing the "next page" button, so I would have two screens showing "page 42". That's certainly better than increasing the page number for every turn and enventually reaching page 330 of 327

Ortep · 12-24-2008, 04:29 PM

[QUOTE=Pulp;312624]Well, I can (and I know I'm almost alone with it) see why they prefer to have the bar instead of the pagenumbers - as the bar represents a percentage-value and therefore really is independent from fontsizes it's the only thing close to an accurate position in your book you can get. [QUOTE]

You're not alone

Page numbers are something from the past. You know..when we had pbooks

HarryT · 12-25-2008, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ortep

You're not alone

Page numbers are something from the past. You know..when we had pbooks

I tend to agree with you, but an indication of the total length of the book would be useful information. One can obtain the total number of pages from the "Goto Page xxx" dialog, but it would be useful if it were to be also displayed at the end of the progress bar.

ErwinOtten · 12-27-2008, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

I tend to agree with you, but an indication of the total length of the book would be useful information. One can obtain the total number of pages from the "Goto Page xxx" dialog, but it would be useful if it were to be also displayed at the end of the progress bar.

hear hear........

As usual I agree with Harry fully

ProfJulie · 12-28-2008, 06:31 PM

This page number debate has gone on and on. I'll admit, changing over from paper books to electronic books required some adjustments and I missed my page numbers, but now, after a year of reading on the Cybook, I can honestly say I don't miss page numbers at all. The graphical bar on the bottom on the page is good enough for me.

arc · 02-18-2009, 03:55 AM

I have used Mobi on Palm and Win CE, and have seen both progress bar and page number. Page number have always been available for the last 10 years. Cybook may be newish, but mobi has been around for many years.

If the cybook re sets, or for some reason you lose your place, have you tried to find your place again using the progress bar. Fat chance. You can get a lot closer with page numbers.

I tend to lose my place where I have not left a book mark. My first book reader was a WinCE device back in early 2000.

There were many software readers at the time, but from day one, I liked mobi, but even then mobi were slow to respond to customers.

Compaq Aero, Palm 105, Sony Clie, Toshiba e400 and last but not least a zodiac. Now my cybook and treo phone.

JSWolf · 02-18-2009, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by arc

I have used Mobi on Palm and Win CE, and have seen both progress bar and page number. Page number have always been available for the last 10 years. Cybook may be newish, but mobi has been around for many years.

If the cybook re sets, or for some reason you lose your place, have you tried to find your place again using the progress bar. Fat chance. You can get a lot closer with page numbers.

I tend to lose my place where I have not left a book mark. My first book reader was a WinCE device back in early 2000.

There were many software readers at the time, but from day one, I liked mobi, but even then mobi were slow to respond to customers.

Compaq Aero, Palm 105, Sony Clie, Toshiba e400 and last but not least a zodiac. Now my cybook and treo phone.

Yes, Mobipocket does sort of have page numbers. But the page numbers are buggy. Mobipocket has never bothered to fix this. All versions have the same page number bug and seems like they always will. You can use the goto page feature on the Gen3, but there is no grantee that the page you end up at is the page you went to last time you tried to go to that same page number. This is not Bookeen's fault. The fault lies with Mobipocket.

tompe · 02-18-2009, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Yes, Mobipocket does sort of have page numbers. But the page numbers are buggy. Mobipocket has never bothered to fix this. All versions have the same page number bug and seems like they always will. You can use the goto page feature on the Gen3, but there is no grantee that the page you end up at is the page you went to last time you tried to go to that same page number. This is not Bookeen's fault. The fault lies with Mobipocket.

This is still a property of the format and that they want to have page number and not a bug in the program.

The point here was that even if it is not exact it is much easier to use the inexact page number to find were you where in the book then using the progress bar.

bwaldron · 02-18-2009, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by tompe

The point here was that even if it is not exact it is much easier to use the inexact page number to find were you where in the book then using the progress bar.

Given the problems with inconsistent numbering, I simply don't find this true with Mobipocket software on other devices.

The Kindle's "location" system does work for this purpose, though.

tompe · 02-18-2009, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by bwaldron

Given the problems with inconsistent numbering, I simply don't find this true with Mobipocket software on other devices.

The Kindle's "location" system does work for this purpose, though.

How can you claim that it is not easier? Did you really understood what I said?

bwaldron · 02-18-2009, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by tompe

How can you claim that it is not easier? Did you really understood what I said?

Apparently not.

My point was that displaying the problematic page numbers has never helped me on other Mobi Readers (desktop/PDA).

If you want to go to one of these page numbers, the Cybook allows you to do that -- even if it does not display them. And I am just fine with that.

tompe · 02-18-2009, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by bwaldron

Apparently not.

My point was that displaying the problematic page numbers has never helped me on other Mobi Readers (desktop/PDA).

If you want to go to one of these page numbers, the Cybook allows you to do that -- even if it does not display them. And I am just fine with that.

If you one more time read what I wrote you see that I talked about finding the place in the book were you stopped reading if the place is lost for some reason. It was not a question of going to a specific page number. So I really do not get your comments.

02-18-2009, 03:55 AM	#24
arc Junior Member Posts: 5 Karma: 10 Join Date: Feb 2009 Device: ct19 5ab	page numbers , progress bar I have used Mobi on Palm and Win CE, and have seen both progress bar and page number. Page number have always been available for the last 10 years. Cybook may be newish, but mobi has been around for many years. If the cybook re sets, or for some reason you lose your place, have you tried to find your place again using the progress bar. Fat chance. You can get a lot closer with page numbers. I tend to lose my place where I have not left a book mark. My first book reader was a WinCE device back in early 2000. There were many software readers at the time, but from day one, I liked mobi, but even then mobi were slow to respond to customers. Compaq Aero, Palm 105, Sony Clie, Toshiba e400 and last but not least a zodiac. Now my cybook and treo phone.

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12-23-2008, 04:06 PM	#17
Pulp Palm Addict Posts: 477 Karma: 1001951 Join Date: Aug 2008 Device: Cybook Gen3 [512mb, FW: 1.5]	Well, I can (and I know I'm almost alone with it) see why they prefer to have the bar instead of the pagenumbers - as the bar represents a percentage-value and therefore really is independent from fontsizes it's the only thing close to an accurate position in your book you can get. I do though understand why people want the pagenumbers nontheless. The only time I miss it is when I do an update (like correcting typos) while in the middle of a book and I have to try & error to find again where I was.

12-24-2008, 04:29 PM	#20
Ortep Fanatic Posts: 527 Karma: 470 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Netherlands Device: Kindle Oasis	[QUOTE=Pulp;312624]Well, I can (and I know I'm almost alone with it) see why they prefer to have the bar instead of the pagenumbers - as the bar represents a percentage-value and therefore really is independent from fontsizes it's the only thing close to an accurate position in your book you can get. [QUOTE] You're not alone Page numbers are something from the past. You know..when we had pbooks

12-28-2008, 06:31 PM	#23
ProfJulie Evangelist Posts: 423 Karma: 890 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Device: whatever	This page number debate has gone on and on. I'll admit, changing over from paper books to electronic books required some adjustments and I missed my page numbers, but now, after a year of reading on the Cybook, I can honestly say I don't miss page numbers at all. The graphical bar on the bottom on the page is good enough for me.

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