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Old 01-26-2019, 05:40 PM   #16
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Another option might be a refurbished Kindle from Amazon if one is in stock.
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Old 01-26-2019, 08:27 PM   #17
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Another option might be a refurbished Kindle from Amazon if one is in stock.
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Old 01-26-2019, 09:05 PM   #18
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The same with my 2012 black basic Kindle (non-touchscreen, with buttons). Of course its low resolution started to bother me, after I got the Voyage.
A modernized K4NT (frontlight, 300dpi, 8GB, and a cover that is actually easily removable) would be awesome.
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Old 01-26-2019, 10:14 PM   #19
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Doesn't the Carta vs Pearl screen make more of a difference?
I don't know if it makes more of a difference, but it makes a lot of difference. At least in my case. My two newest eReaders (both without front lights and both with 800x600 screens at 167ppi) are the Kindle Basic and Tolino Page. The Basic has a Pearl screen and the Page has an E-Carta screen. The E-Carta is much sharper and has fewer issues with ghosting — and it doesn't need to refresh nearly as much.

If Amazon is phasing out the current line of Kindle Basics, I hope the new Kindle Basic (if they produce one) will have an E-Carta screen.
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Old 01-27-2019, 05:48 AM   #20
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My personal experience is that with the frontlight off, a Pearl screen actually looks better than a Carta (aside from resolution, of course). With the frontlight on, even at low levels, it's vice versa.

Note that I've only used and compared various Kindles, not Kobos or any other readers.
Interesting.

I just looked at my Sony 650 (Pearl) and my Kobo Glo HD (Carta, light off), and to me, the Carta screen appears to have a whiter background and darker text.

I was just trying to compare contrast.
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Interesting.

I just looked at my Sony 650 (Pearl) and my Kobo Glo HD (Carta, light off), and to me, the Carta screen appears to have a whiter background and darker text.

I was just trying to compare contrast.
When I said "sharper" what I really meant was higher contrast. Which makes the fonts appear to be more defined (sharper).
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When I said "sharper" what I really meant was higher contrast. Which makes the fonts appear to be more defined (sharper).
Which is fine. I was trying to determine if the frontlight/light-layer-guide "cancels out" the Carta vs Pearl contrast advantage (going back to my first post).
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I've never had the ghosting issue except on a very old Kindle Keyboard (and there is a fix for that). Is this a random act of glitch or is this problem common in newer units?

To keep this related to the original post, The Kindle Basic is back up for sale again ($79.99)
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Old 01-27-2019, 02:15 PM   #24
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To keep this related to the original post, The Kindle Basic is back up for sale again ($79.99)
Really? I still do not see it listed at Amazon.ca, which is what kicked off this thread. It was always available at Amazon.com.
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Which is fine. I was trying to determine if the frontlight/light-layer-guide "cancels out" the Carta vs Pearl contrast advantage (going back to my first post).
I shouldn't write late at night. What I meant to say is that the Carta's contrast makes the fonts look sharper (emphasis on contrast). I was using your post to correct mine.
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Old 01-27-2019, 03:46 PM   #27
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I've never had the ghosting issue except on a very old Kindle Keyboard (and there is a fix for that). Is this a random act of glitch or is this problem common in newer units?
Ghosting wasn't really the right word. (I'm having trouble saying what I mean.) What I meant is that the Carta screen doesn't work as hard at refreshing. The only time I really get "ghosting" on Pearl screens is when I'm moving from a graphical menu to a book and the screen hasn't refreshed yet. I do have a Nook ST (that I picked up on Shop Goodwill) that has real ghosting issues.

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To keep this related to the original post, The Kindle Basic is back up for sale again ($79.99)
The problem is that Amazon doesn't ship to Canada. (I don't think Woot does either.)
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Old 01-28-2019, 03:53 PM   #28
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In Canada it is still not available
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B0186FET66/...v_shopall_k_ki

I read on amazon web site that if you hold the power button for 3 seconds you get a menu that let you turn off the light on paper white. Could anybody confirm this?
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In Canada it is still not available
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B0186FET66/...v_shopall_k_ki

I read on amazon web site that if you hold the power button for 3 seconds you get a menu that let you turn off the light on paper white. Could anybody confirm this?
This may be possible on later models, I'm not sure, but it's not possible on the PW2.

What did Customer Support say when you asked why the Basic was unavailable?
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In Canada it is still not available
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B0186FET66/...v_shopall_k_ki

I read on amazon web site that if you hold the power button for 3 seconds you get a menu that let you turn off the light on paper white. Could anybody confirm this?
No such menu for 3 seconds on either PW3 or PW4. There is however a menu to turn the screen off after holding for 7 seconds. Needless to say, you can't read in that mode.

As I mentioned earlier though, turning down frontlight all the way to 0 on the PW4 completely turns off the light.

On PW2 and PW3 0 just dims it but doesn't completely turn it off.
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