I bought a Kobo Forma, a little hesitantly.

[jackie_w]

Originally Posted by koboy

all i do is highlight/point out issues that certain Kobo ereaders obviously/clearly do have and are there for all to see.

You certainly do! You repeat, ad nauseam, what we've already seen/read for ourselves.

Originally Posted by koboy

everyone is entitled to make their own subjective choice/decision ... it isn't my money

Exactly, it's not your money. Yet you persist in telling us how we shouldn't be happy with our purchases, even when we've decided the pros outweigh the cons.

All ereader models have problems documented in these forums. They're not all made by Kobo.

[ZodWallop]

Originally Posted by koboy

...i don't keep anything that i'm not 100% satisfied/happy with. it either get's took back or sent back it really is that simple.

I have to imagine you've never owned a DVD player with a remote control. I haven't seen one yet that wasn't designed by a person who had never seen such a device before and clearly had no clue how they function

[koboy]

Originally Posted by jackie_w

You certainly do! You repeat, ad nauseam, what we've already seen/read for ourselves.


Exactly, it's not your money. Yet you persist in telling us how we shouldn't be happy with our purchases, even when we've decided the pros outweigh the cons.

All ereader models have problems documented in these forums. They're not all made by Kobo.

i'm not telling anyone what they should or shouldn't do that i'm afraid only exists in your mind and a few others. i do however say what I would do.

i do agree that all ereaders regardless of make or model do indeed have their own unique problems although i would add Kobo's have greatly/massively increased with all models released from KA1 onwards with the exception perhaps of the H2O2.

i make no apologises for my continued pointing out of the latest Kobo offerings failures i believe i provide a free public service by highlighting the cons and pros as and when i read about them on here.


motive 1 = is simple why should anyone have to buy in some cases a very expensive device that doesn't work as it should do with such blatant quality control issues.

motive 2 = i have and never will have any interest in buying another Kindle but i would like to at some stage in the future buy another Kobo model. so i would prefer it before i do that Kobo got their act together regarding in some cases such silly stupid quality control issues.

of course i fully understand the usual Kobo fan club fanatics will disagree with me but that's how it should be in fact i'd be surprised if they didn't.

edit. i could really say what i think of the latest Kobo offerings but politeness rightly prevents me

best wishes koboy

[koboy]

Originally Posted by ZodWallop

I have to imagine you've never owned a DVD player with a remote control. I haven't seen one yet that wasn't designed by a person who had never seen such a device before and clearly had no clue how they function

i've (NEVER) kept anything that doesn't work as advertised/as it should and i would highly recommend to everyone else that they should do the same.

in the good old days before online shopping you could only buy from your local shop/store so it was much easier to take something back for an exchange or a refund.

i believe one of the main reasons why people keep less than perfect devices is precisely because they can't do with the hassle of having to send it back perhaps over and over again. therefore when bought online they often keep it which in my opinion makes it easier for companies to be able to get away with poor quality control.

best wishes koboy

[davidfor]

Originally Posted by ilovejedd

If I had this mind set, I wouldn't own any electronic device at all. Probably no books, either.

If I had that attitude, I wouldn't own anything.

And if my wife had that attitude...

[davidfor]

Originally Posted by koboy

i've (NEVER) kept anything that doesn't work as advertised/as it should and i would highly recommend to everyone else that they should do the same.

Then why do you still have a Mini, a Touch and an Aura? They are all so different that it is impossible that all three actually work properly for you. And none of them did work out of the box. All needed updated firmware. And as the updates have gradually changed how these devices worked, they can't possibly be still working "as advertised". So you better send them back.

Face it, just like the rest of us, you are accepting devices that work "good enough for me". Only the definition of "good enough" is different for each of us.

[Uschiekid]

Originally Posted by koboy

i do agree that all ereaders regardless of make or model do indeed have their own unique problems although i would add Kobo's have greatly/massively increased with all models released from KA1 onwards with the exception perhaps of the H2O2.

Whereas you own the Kobo Aura, a product I thought was very much under par and would never ever have considered buying.

So IMO, you *do* buy and enjoy inferior electronic devices, but I don't have a problem with that whatsoever, I agree that everyone has their own standards, and in this case, yours are much lower than mine. You just seem utterly blinded to that fact.

But what is so very very grating in all your comments is that you put people off buying something they are excited about, and in many cases would have been very happy with, just repeating the same complaints over and over, which can make people take it more seriously than they might feel it warrants, had they ever had the device in their own hands.
Especially as many faults are only visible *in some devices*.

Well enough of this, sometimes it is sad to see new people to the forum so ruthlessly commented AT in every thread they post in, so that they can't help but feel they will be unsatisfied with their purchase.

[koboy]

Originally Posted by davidfor

If I had that attitude, I wouldn't own anything.

And if my wife had that attitude...

like clockwork. why not? do you make a point of only buying imperfect poor value for money devices/items/things?

best wishes koboy

[koboy]

Originally Posted by Uschiekid

Whereas you own the Kobo Aura, a product I thought was very much under par and would never ever have considered buying.

So IMO, you *do* buy and enjoy inferior electronic devices, but I don't have a problem with that whatsoever, I agree that everyone has their own standards, and in this case, yours are much lower than mine. You just seem utterly blinded to that fact.

But what is so very very grating in all your comments is that you put people off buying something they are excited about, and in many cases would have been very happy with, just repeating the same complaints over and over, which can make people take it more seriously than they might feel it warrants, had they ever had the device in their own hands.
Especially as many faults are only visible *in some devices*.

Well enough of this, sometimes it is sad to see new people to the forum so ruthlessly commented AT in every thread they post in, so that they can't help but feat they will be unsatisfied with their purchase.

interesting concept you believe my standards are lower than yours i beg to differ. if you don't like the FACTUAL floors these devices have that i point out then fair enough that's your prerogative.

my intention is (NOT) to stop people buying Kobo ereaders but to let them know the obvious (CONS) and not just the pros

i suggest that some may find them helpful obviously you don't along with other die hard Kobo can't do anything wrong fanatics.

edit. the solution is simple if you want to stop my so called negative comments (i would say factual) get Kobo to sort out their quality control issues. job done.

best wishes koboy

[Uschiekid]

Originally Posted by koboy

interesting concept you believe my standards are lower than yours i beg to differ. if you don't like the FACTUAL floors these devices have that i point out then fair enough that's your prerogative.

my intention is (NOT) to stop people buying Kobo ereaders but to let them know the obvious (CONS) and not just the pros

i suggest that some may find them helpful obviously you don't along with other die hard Kobo can't do anything wrong fanatics.

best wishes koboy

You really need to read more carefully, and quit putting words into people's mouths. I never said your standards are lower than mine. I said when you bought a Kobo Aura and *were satisfied*, your standards were lower than mine. *I did not buy it because it did not meet my standards." That is NOT a subjective difference in standards. You bought it, were satisfied, I was not satisfied, did not buy it. In that situation, I had *objectively* higher standards than you.

In that case it is clear as night and day, and it also shows that I am far from being the die hard fanatic you think. Kobo did not make a product worthy of *my* hard earned money, in that case.

I have no issue with problems being pointed out, and I am just as annoyed as (I assume) you are when other people belittle someone who has a complaint, and categorise it as "not important".
And before I spend money, I want to be aware of any potential flaw, ...personally I read many many sources (and waste more time than it would take to earn the money!) before spending it. But I don't need to be beaten over the head, or scoffed at for contemplating a product that you wouldn't contemplate.

I really should know better than to engage, but there is so much animosity between you and some of the very regular posters, I thought a bit of calm discussion with someone else might make you realise that your never-ending comments aren't just annoying them, but others as well. But I am now just lumped together in your mind with others who you disagree with, and who you *believe* can't see flaws in front of their eyes. Most of us can.

You often say you are trying to be "helpful" yet dismiss everything say, davidfor, has to say. Yet he is *actually* helpful. I don't always agree with him, yet I can say that without a doubt he is an asset to this forum, and is continually doing things to prove this and be helpful to many people with problems over the years. Would anyone stand up and defend your "helpfulness" the same way that his "helpfulness" would undoubtedly be defended by thousands of people he has genuinely helped over the years?

If you want to be helpful, take note of what you've said to whom and don't repeat the same things in multiple threads to the same person. That would be helpful.

[koboy]

Originally Posted by Uschiekid

You really need to read more carefully, and quit putting words into people's mouths. I never said your standards are lower than mine. I said when you bought a Kobo Aura and *were satisfied*, your standards were lower than mine. *I did not buy it because it did not meet my standards." That is NOT a subjective difference in standards. You bought it, were satisfied, I was not satisfied, did not buy it. In that situation, I had *objectively* higher standards than you.

In that case it is clear as night and day, and it also shows that I am far from being the die hard fanatic you think. Kobo did not make a product worthy of *my* hard earned money, in that case.

I have no issue with problems being pointed out, and I am just as annoyed as (I assume) you are when other people belittle someone who has a complaint, and categorise it as "not important".
And before I spend money, I want to be aware of any potential flaw, ...personally I read many many sources (and waste more time than it would take to earn the money!) before spending it. But I don't need to be beaten over the head, or scoffed at for contemplating a product that you wouldn't contemplate.

I really should know better than to engage, but there is so much animosity between you and some of the very regular posters, I thought a bit of calm discussion with someone else might make you realise that your never-ending comments aren't just annoying them, but others as well. But I am now just lumped together in your mind with others who you disagree with, and who you *believe* can't see flaws in front of their eyes. Most of us can.

You often say you are trying to be "helpful" yet dismiss everything say, davidfor, has to say. Yet he is *actually* helpful. I don't always agree with him, yet I can say that without a doubt he is an asset to this forum, and is continually doing things to prove this and be helpful to many people with problems over the years. Would anyone stand up and defend your "helpfulness" the same way that his "helpfulness" would undoubtedly be defended by thousands of people he has genuinely helped over the years?

If you want to be helpful, take note of what you've said to whom and don't repeat the same things in multiple threads to the same person. That would be helpful.

firstly i didn't comment to you first in this thread that honour goes to you. post 3 just in case you'd forgot. i would also point out without your comment at post 3 mine that followed that would more than likely never have happened. you have 625 posts and a Karma rating of 931316 i have 589 posts and a Karma rating of 3257204 so i must be doing something right

secondly i showed that my standards are lower than yours in one particular instance because i bought and very much like the original Kobo Aura 6" (best Kobo ereader ever) i suggest you add (IN YOUR OPINION to that comment)

thirdly it's amazing how some people believe in everyone's right to have a subjective opinion as long as it (AGREES) with there's.

edit. i don't comment on here to be popular or liked in fact i would say the negative comments that i receive prove that i'm doing the right thing. you need to remember all i am doing is highlighting/pointing out the (FACTUAL) findings of Kobo owners of these devices.

edit again i would suggest all your post 3 did was allow those who do show animosity towards me to jump in /pipe up. so thanks for that

best wishes koboy

[davidfor]

Originally Posted by koboy

like clockwork. why not? do you make a point of only buying imperfect poor value for money devices/items/things?

I make a habit of buying items that exist in real life. None are perfect. They are all compromises on what exist, what can be done and how much I am willing to pay. A simple example is cars. My current car is this huge monstrosity that is hard to park. Very not perfect and I'd love a small car that I can park easily. But, at 6'2" with two sons roughly the same size, it allows us to get in comfortably and carry enough luggage. Or food as they grew up. So it is comfortable for us. But, not perfect. It was a compromise between carrying capacity, comfort, manoeuvrability, price and all sorts of other things. When I replace it, there will be a different compromise (they've moved out).

As I said, all purchases are compromises. None of the products available are perfect. I look at the available products and decide if anything comes close enough to satisfy me. Sometimes I discover that I was wrong, and the product doesn't suit. Sometimes I discover I was wrong and that something I thought was important, isn't.

And for the case under discussion, that grey band on the edge of the Forma screen did not affect my use of the device in any way at all. Would it be better if it was not to be there? Of course. Am I going to buy another one now that my wife has claimed the Forma? I'm not sure. But the hesitation is because it is a little big to carry around between the sections of my commute. Offsetting that is that is it was so easy to hold while standing waiting for the bus or train.

[koboy]

Originally Posted by davidfor

I make a habit of buying items that exist in real life. None are perfect. They are all compromises on what exist, what can be done and how much I am willing to pay. A simple example is cars. My current car is this huge monstrosity that is hard to park. Very not perfect and I'd love a small car that I can park easily. But, at 6'2" with two sons roughly the same size, it allows us to get in comfortably and carry enough luggage. Or food as they grew up. So it is comfortable for us. But, not perfect. It was a compromise between carrying capacity, comfort, manoeuvrability, price and all sorts of other things. When I replace it, there will be a different compromise (they've moved out).

As I said, all purchases are compromises. None of the products available are perfect. I look at the available products and decide if anything comes close enough to satisfy me. Sometimes I discover that I was wrong, and the product doesn't suit. Sometimes I discover I was wrong and that something I thought was important, isn't.

And for the case under discussion, that grey band on the edge of the Forma screen did not affect my use of the device in any way at all. Would it be better if it was not to be there? Of course. Am I going to buy another one now that my wife has claimed the Forma? I'm not sure. But the hesitation is because it is a little big to carry around between the sections of my commute. Offsetting that is that is it was so easy to hold while standing waiting for the bus or train.

i will make this brief for once. i agree perfection in buying anything is very rare if indeed highly unlikely which is why i didn't say it. i did however say that if something doesn't work 100% to my satisfaction/ i'm happy with it then it gets returned which seems a reasonable position to me to hold.

what others choose to do as i've already said is entirely up to them.

best wishes koboy

[davidfor]

Originally Posted by koboy

i will make this brief for once. i agree perfection in buying anything is very rare if indeed highly unlikely which is why i didn't say it. i did however say that if something doesn't work 100% to my satisfaction/ i'm happy with it then it gets returned which seems a reasonable position to me to hold.

And in that statement you are telling us that you only keep items you are 100% satisfied with and that you keep items that are not perfect. So, you are 100% satisfied with your imperfect devices? As you just criticised me for accepting imperfection in the things I buy, you are being hypocritical in this statement.

what others choose to do as i've already said is entirely up to them.

True, but so many of your statements make it clear that you think they are idiots for not doing it the way you think. Your way of congratulating someone in their decision is very condescending. As an example, the statement you made that started this can not be seen as anything other than this.

[koboy]

Originally Posted by davidfor

And in that statement you are telling us that you only keep items you are 100% satisfied with and that you keep items that are not perfect. So, you are 100% satisfied with your imperfect devices? As you just criticised me for accepting imperfection in the things I buy, you are being hypocritical in this statement.

True, but so many of your statements make it clear that you think they are idiots for not doing it the way you think. Your way of congratulating someone in their decision is very condescending. As an example, the statement you made that started this can not be seen as anything other than this.

no i'm telling you exactly what it says which is if i'm 100% satisfied/happy which translated = means that they work perfectly if i wasn't 100% satisfied/happy then i wouldn't keep whatever it was.

do you have any idea how many electrically devices that i own that work 100% perfectly? the list is endlessssss.

what's condescending about the obvious Kobo ereader lottery that factually exists?

also i have never and never will call anyone a idiot so please don't misquote/put words into my mouth.

i could easily point to some on here who's comment's (ALL) are 99.9% in the positive i don't jump on them/moan or comment on them unless they are factually wrong.

best wishes koboy