Two questions - Page 2

JSWolf · 05-22-2019, 09:26 PM

Body should just be <body> The rest of the rubbish you have there can go.

Gregg Bell · 05-22-2019, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tex2002ans

Did your previous books work? Copy what you know works...

This is what you'll want:

Code:

<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" lang="en-US" xml:lang="en-US">

<body>

Epubcheck >>> Flightcrew.

Epubcheck is THE important one (it's what the storefronts use for sale).

If epubcheck says the book is fine, the book is fine.

Flightcrew is older/outdated, and was really only there as an easy GUI in Sigil to quickly check some basic code issues. It squaks at some things that are correct because it hasn't been updated to handle such cases.

Note: In the future, attach images using MobileRead's built-in attachments. When you post, the icon looks like a little paper clip. This makes it so appear within posts fine, and makes sure they don't break the layout:

Attachment 171572

Also has the advantage of not disappearing if those external image sites die. So many older topics have busted images, and the information gets lost.

LOL I just changed it all over to

Code:

<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en-US">

What does the below mean?

Code:

Epubcheck >>> Flightcrew.

Now I'm going to make flightcrew unhappy again. I'll probably be grounding the whole crew.

Gregg Bell · 05-22-2019, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Body should just be <body> The rest of the rubbish you have there can go.

Thanks Jon. Yeah, I'm just going with <body>

BeckyEbook · 05-23-2019, 03:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregg Bell

LOL I just changed it all over to

Code:

<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en-US">

Use both lang attributes. Why?
http://kb.daisy.org/publishing/docs/html/lang.html

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregg Bell

What does the below mean?

Code:

Epubcheck >>> Flightcrew.

Epubcheck "is better than" Flightcrew

theducks · 05-23-2019, 11:08 AM

Gregg,
If you are submitting to the Big A, only KDP approval

counts in the end.
AFAIK passing the real standards does not count with many publishers. You must pass theirs. (I still recommend passing epub check, anyway, but you may need to de-tune your work for a specific platform)

Note also:
Passing anyone's standards, does not insure the work:
looks decent on the target device
Is free of spelling or word choice errors
does not contain <1,000 of other publishing faults

>

Hitch mentioned a long time ago, her table full of various devices that are used for Eyeball Mk I checking

That is the ultimate test of YOUR product

JSWolf · 05-23-2019, 11:12 AM

Gregg, don't worry about making Flightcrew happy. You need to make epubcheck happy as that's the standard by which the ePub will be checked. Flightcrew is old and is not going to find as much as epubcheck will. Make sure you have the updated epubcheck plugin as it's been updated epubcheck 4.2.1 that was recently released. Publishers use epubcheck and not Flightcrew.

Tex2002ans · 05-23-2019, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeckyEbook

Epubcheck "is better than" Flightcrew

Side Note: And a single > is "greater than". Everyone knows that one.

In certain Maths, a double >> (≫) is used as "much greater than":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greate...ater-than_sign

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Gregg, don't worry about making Flightcrew happy. You need to make epubcheck happy as that's the standard by which the ePub will be checked. [...] Make sure you have the updated epubcheck plugin as it's been updated epubcheck 4.2.1 that was recently released. Publishers use epubcheck and not Flightcrew.

Exactly.

And Gregg has already submitted many books cleanly to all the stores. He just sometimes likes to go back and question old wisdom... and see if there's any more modern/better ways of doing things.

And sometimes there are, like now I'm incorporating a lot of the WCAG knowledge in my recommendations (like <html> with lang + xml:lang).

DiapDealer · 05-23-2019, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tex2002ans

And Gregg has already submitted many books cleanly to all the stores. He just sometimes likes to go back and question old wisdom... and see if there's any more modern/better ways of doing things.

I always enjoy when Gregg pops in for a tune-up.

Gregg Bell · 05-23-2019, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeckyEbook

Use both lang attributes. Why?
http://kb.daisy.org/publishing/docs/html/lang.html

Beats me. One of these guys should answer.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeckyEbook

Epubcheck "is better than" Flightcrew

Thanks.

Gregg Bell · 05-23-2019, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theducks

Gregg,
If you are submitting to the Big A, only KDP approval

counts in the end.
AFAIK passing the real standards does not count with many publishers. You must pass theirs. (I still recommend passing epub check, anyway, but you may need to de-tune your work for a specific platform)

Note also:
Passing anyone's standards, does not insure the work:
looks decent on the target device
Is free of spelling or word choice errors
does not contain <1,000 of other publishing faults

>

Hitch mentioned a long time ago, her table full of various devices that are used for Eyeball Mk I checking

That is the ultimate test of YOUR product

Thanks Ducks. Yeah, I hear you. In fact, I just bought a Fire tablet to get a different perspective than just the Touch ereader. If KDP doesn't kick it back to me and it works good on my devices that's got to be good enough.

Gregg Bell · 05-23-2019, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Gregg, don't worry about making Flightcrew happy. You need to make epubcheck happy as that's the standard by which the ePub will be checked. Flightcrew is old and is not going to find as much as epubcheck will. Make sure you have the updated epubcheck plugin as it's been updated epubcheck 4.2.1 that was recently released. Publishers use epubcheck and not Flightcrew.

Thanks Jon. I just got the latest epub check. (I didn't know it was there.) It shows up in the Plugin prefernece box as 0.4.1.3, right?

Gregg Bell · 05-23-2019, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tex2002ans

Side Note: And a single > is "greater than". Everyone knows that one.

In certain Maths, a double >> (≫) is used as "much greater than":

But what is >>>?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tex2002ans

And Gregg has already submitted many books cleanly to all the stores. He just sometimes likes to go back and question old wisdom... and see if there's any more modern/better ways of doing things.

Thanks Tex. You're right, but it's also I don't want to screw up. And stuff changes so fast. Like I just opened Kindle Previewer 3 on a Windows 10 computer and it says there's a new version 3.30.0. I usually convert my .epub on my Linux computer in the terminal via kindlegen. But that kindlegen is only 2.9. So is the Kindle Previewer conversion better? (Stuff like that.) (And that question about the conversion wasn't rhetorical if you happen to know.)

Gregg Bell · 05-23-2019, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

I always enjoy when Gregg pops in for a tune-up.

Thanks Diap. I needed to smile.

This stuff is fun but it also breaks my brain!

theducks · 05-23-2019, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregg Bell

Thanks Ducks. Yeah, I hear you. In fact, I just bought a Fire tablet to get a different perspective than just the Touch ereader. If KDP doesn't kick it back to me and it works good on my devices that's got to be good enough.

Unfortunately, that does not even guarantee a 100% win.

(but I don't think they can reject your work for their error)
I have things lat pass and look good in Kindle Previewer3, Calibre and even K4PC and don't work out on my K4NT.

Tex2002ans · 05-23-2019, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregg Bell

Beats me. One of these guys should answer

lol, a certain genius already answered it in Post #2!

Specifically the bolded "Another way of explaining:".

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregg Bell

But what is >>>?

"Much much greater than":

Epubcheck >>> Flightcrew

"Epubcheck is much much greater than Flightcrew".

Meaning exactly what JSWolf said, follow epubcheck over anything Flightcrew says, since epubcheck is what's actually used to validate in the stores.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregg Bell

Like I just opened Kindle Previewer 3 on a Windows 10 computer and it says there's a new version 3.30.0. I usually convert my .epub on my Linux computer in the terminal via kindlegen. But that kindlegen is only 2.9. So is the Kindle Previewer conversion better? (Stuff like that.)

Probably just some bug fixes on their end.

Usually when it updates, there's a little popup window which states what changed.

Here's their official changelog:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/kindleprevi...seNotes_EN.txt

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05-22-2019, 09:26 PM	#16
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,023 Karma: 144284074 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	Body should just be <body> The rest of the rubbish you have there can go.

05-23-2019, 11:08 AM	#20
theducks Well trained by Cats Posts: 30,891 Karma: 60358908 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Central Coast of California Device: Kobo Libra2,Kobo Aura2v1, K4NT(Fixed: New Bat.), Galaxy Tab A	Gregg, If you are submitting to the Big A, only KDP approval counts in the end. AFAIK passing the real standards does not count with many publishers. You must pass theirs. (I still recommend passing epub check, anyway, but you may need to de-tune your work for a specific platform) Note also: Passing anyone's standards, does not insure the work: looks decent on the target device Is free of spelling or word choice errors does not contain <1,000 of other publishing faults > Hitch mentioned a long time ago, her table full of various devices that are used for Eyeball Mk I checking That is the ultimate test of YOUR product

05-23-2019, 11:12 AM	#21
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,023 Karma: 144284074 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	Gregg, don't worry about making Flightcrew happy. You need to make epubcheck happy as that's the standard by which the ePub will be checked. Flightcrew is old and is not going to find as much as epubcheck will. Make sure you have the updated epubcheck plugin as it's been updated epubcheck 4.2.1 that was recently released. Publishers use epubcheck and not Flightcrew.

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