Winnetou, Old Shatterhand & Co - Page 2

Dave Berk · 10-16-2008, 03:59 AM

Thanks for your answers, Winnetou. I learnt a few things I didn't know about the books. Also, I agree with you regarding the PC stuff. A disclaimer is a pretty good way to go about that.

Regarding ebooks conversion, Gudy is right, the best way is to start from the source format, which in your case, I assume, is a Word file. To convert from Word to a PRC (mobi format) use Mobipocket eBook Creator, available here. The program is free, intuitive, and easy to work with.

eimert · 10-16-2008, 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winnetou

Hi again ... while I think of it ... how easy (or difficult) is it to convert from a pdf (or word) to - say - a .PRC? (I dare not think any further than that for now).

It is pretty easy (and works surprisingly well) with the Mobipocket Creator (publisher edition, free from Mobipocket, no affiliation ...). Just import pdf file and then create a prc from the resulting opf - that's it.

Cheers,
Klaus

Winnetou · 10-16-2008, 06:37 AM

Hi Dave Berk - I'm happy to elaborate on anything Karl May, but I think the folks at mobileread would become a bit toey after a while ... you can get me via the email displayed in the Karl May Bookstore for anything about Karl May at all --- once I start I'm hard to stop ... you might also find Savage To Saint a good source of info about the man ... one last pat on my shoulders: I'm the first author to have written an English language biography about Winnetou's creator !! I'm told it's 'controversial' ... eh - so is life ... but I'm happy to have helped another Karl May fan out there ...

Hi eimert ... oops -- I just had a flashback ... my editor got me onto that free mobipocket thing ... I must say, after 2 weeks of trying to get 'something' done, I gave up ... pages missing, mis-aligned - wrong font (jumping from one font to another on the same page - and more ... 2 weeks was all I could spare to experiment with something that just wouldn't work ... that's why I'm with Lulu ... it works ... and I'm asking them about e-book formats ...
cheerio
m

Winnetou · 10-17-2008, 09:00 AM

I'm back ... and have an interesting 'answer' of sorts from the Lulu forums ... about e-book availability etc :

quote:
On Lulu, the only ebook format available for sale is PDF. There isn't much to that. As far as other popular ebook formats are concerned, they all have licensing fees that would cost us authors more in setup fees.
unquote

There is absolutely nothing in this that I can do anything with (or even understand).

I'm resorting to my old faithful: "What's it all mean?"

So far I've learned that I've got to learn a heap about technology if I want to convert my Karl Mays to e-book formats readable on hand held devices (mobipocket didn't do it for me), that a PDF isn't readable on a hand held device, and that conversion of my Karl Mays to e-book formats is going to cost me.

Hm... ... ... user-friendly (from the text creator's point of view) comes to mind, ease of delivery from text creator to reader comes to mind, interchangeable format comes to mind ... ... ... inventing the wheel comes to mind ... as a 'non-gadget' and 'non-technology-savvy' person, that is a mountain unsurmountable ... sigh ...

At the moment I'm following Dr Morgenstern into the Gran Chaco uncovering Inca's treasures ... I'll deal with e-books later ... when they have become a bit more 'graspable' ... and when I can offer all those that can be read by most, I'll be back.

Marlies

Slite · 10-17-2008, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winnetou

I'm back ... and have an interesting 'answer' of sorts from the Lulu forums ... about e-book availability etc :

quote:
On Lulu, the only ebook format available for sale is PDF. There isn't much to that. As far as other popular ebook formats are concerned, they all have licensing fees that would cost us authors more in setup fees.
unquote

There is absolutely nothing in this that I can do anything with (or even understand).

I'm resorting to my old faithful: "What's it all mean?"

So far I've learned that I've got to learn a heap about technology if I want to convert my Karl Mays to e-book formats readable on hand held devices (mobipocket didn't do it for me), that a PDF isn't readable on a hand held device, and that conversion of my Karl Mays to e-book formats is going to cost me.

Hm... ... ... user-friendly (from the text creator's point of view) comes to mind, ease of delivery from text creator to reader comes to mind, interchangeable format comes to mind ... ... ... inventing the wheel comes to mind ... as a 'non-gadget' and 'non-technology-savvy' person, that is a mountain unsurmountable ... sigh ...

At the moment I'm following Dr Morgenstern into the Gran Chaco uncovering Inca's treasures ... I'll deal with e-books later ... when they have become a bit more 'graspable' ... and when I can offer all those that can be read by most, I'll be back.

Marlies

Exsqueeze me? Licensing fee to distrubute an e-book in non-DRMed form? What an absolute load of camelid excrement! (pardom my french)

That must seriously be the lamest excuse I have ever heard

Why would for instance MobiPocket release their creator software for FREE if they wanted a licensing fee for it? They do ask for a licensing fee for e-readers to be able to USE drmed Mobipocket formated e-books, but thats about it.

But creating books with the creator is NOT

kacir · 10-17-2008, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winnetou

As far as other popular ebook formats are concerned, they all have licensing fees that would cost us authors more in setup fees.

I'm resorting to my old faithful: "What's it all mean?"

It depends if you want to have your book available as a DRM-free book or if you want to sell your book locked in some DRM scheme.

If you want to sell (or give away) your books the way a *very* successful establishment Baen does - that is DRM free, you have no problem producing all sorts of formats (possibly with the help of people here on Mobileread) without paying license fees for using some DRM scheme.

If you want to sell your books in a maner that the book is locked to a specific device you can register on the Amazon site and publish your book for Kindle.
Publishing is free of charge, you can set your price and you get a very reasonable cut of the procedings.
Sony si preparing similar service.

So tell us. How do you want to publish, and distribute your books?
Do you plan to sell them?
Locked (DRM-ed)
or Unlocked (DRM-free)

Hit&Run · 10-18-2008, 05:01 AM

Hey, Marlies, you've inspired me to check out Karl May...thanks!

And for this

Quote:

Depends on what "format" the downloads at Lulu has. If for instance, they are called something ending in .LRF, they are formated for the Sony range of Readers (PRS500/PRS505), if they end in .PRC they are in Mobipocket format and can be read on a multitude of different readers (Kindle, Cybook, Iliad, Hanlin etc). And then there is .LIT which is the MS Reader format which is not suported on many readers currently (Hanlin V3 and rebrands thereof) as far as I know.

Slite, I am eternally grateful to you. I'm sure that's basic stuff to most here, but I'm new here and that makes it all fall into place for me. Thank you!

HR

Winnetou · 10-18-2008, 07:11 AM

Hi Hit&Run … Karl May is an inspiration – he survived against all odds – and even prospered … until the ‘Guardians of all things German’ (Kaiser Wilhelm was at the helm, it was the time of the Boxer Rebellion in ‘the far away Orient’) went after him … it was a public mob lynching attempt par excellence that spanned decades, but, in the end, Karl May triumphed, only a few days before he died.

Hi slite (I wanted to tell you for some time – I like your Bernese puppy – I’ve written a book about the Bernese Mountain Dog, from the Australian point of view as I was the first person to import a Bernese into Australia directly from Switzerland in 1996 – injecting fresh blood into some truly good ‘old’ lines without the burdensome ‘modern’ genetic flaws.) Anyway – on with the quest of Karl May e-books … don’t worry about your French – I’m okay with that (I speak several of those languages myself <wince>)

Hi kacir … to your note: >>>So tell us. How do you want to publish, and distribute your books?
Do you plan to sell them?
Locked (DRM-ed)
or Unlocked (DRM-free)<<<<

okeydokey … it takes a minimum of 17 weeks for one Karl May translation (the way I work and structure the translation/edit/proofreading steps). And that’s on a ‘constant’ basis. As I said earlier – I’m neither a publisher, nor other ‘big business’, Karl May translations are a hobby for me (I have them on Lulu [the first ones are on BookSurge/Amazon, but the horrendous ‘royalty-trap’ made me run for the hills] because there’s no use in just stockpiling the translations in the broom cupboard).
Having said that … I would become an instant divorcee if I ‘give away’ my labour of love. Hubby has become used to playing the second fiddle next to Karl May, but he’s also very protective of my creations.
Locked or unlocked doesn’t mean much to me. Don’t forget – I’m a ‘printed book worm’ and e-books is an abstract concept to me (thus far). However (and I’ll blame Dave Berk for it [I’m sure he won’t be too offended]) I’ve become interested in making available my Karl May translations in e-book format because there are obviously people out there who would appreciate it.

So – no, I won’t make them available for free. No, I don’t want an impossible amount of money for them. I love the Lulu principle because the ‘formatting’ of the books is absolutely free, no fuss no hassle. If I chose to make them available to the reader, I can set an amount of money for myself – the system does the rest of the calculations. The PDFs are ‘protected’ obviously (believe me there are enough people out there who wouldn’t think twice about piracy on a Karl May translation – right down to ‘Hollywood talk’ … oh the crap that’s come my way because of what I do is unbelieveable [especially now that Karl May has entered ‘museum’ stage in his ‘home country’, which means he’s an accepted part of German heritage] and doesn’t belong here) – in that case, any e-book formats would have to be protected from that.

Distribution? No idea. I’m not a sales person (on the contrary – I’m a dunce with regards to that … hubby is the salesman…in white goods … LOL).

The short of a long story … I won’t give them away and I won’t do anything that would incur the risk of piracy (anything can be pirated, I’m aware of that, but why make it easy for them). Also … I need to be able to do everything myself – not becoming ‘involved’ with someone else on the project (but mobipocket didn’t work). Is that a ‘workable’ combination or ‘impossible’ ?

I'm open to suggestions and guideposts that would send me in the right directions ...

Winnetou · 10-18-2008, 08:14 AM

PS ... I still have the mobipocket thing on my PC - I can give it another try - but would need 'running commentary' on the process by someone as I couldn't figure it out on my own.

kacir · 10-18-2008, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winnetou

So – no, I won’t make them available for free. No, I don’t want an impossible amount of money for them. I love the Lulu principle because the ‘formatting’ of the books is absolutely free, no fuss no hassle. If I chose to make them available to the reader, I can set an amount of money for myself – the system does the rest of the calculations. The PDFs are ‘protected’ obviously (believe me there are enough people out there who wouldn’t think twice about piracy on a Karl May translation – right down to ‘Hollywood talk’ … oh the crap that’s come my way because of what I do is unbelieveable [especially now that Karl May has entered ‘museum’ stage in his ‘home country’, which means he’s an accepted part of German heritage] and doesn’t belong here) – in that case, any e-book formats would have to be protected from that.

Dear Winnetou.
Translation is your work and I was not trying to persuade you to give away the fruits of your hard labor. I was just asking for clarification, because our suggestions to you might depend on the options you choose.

You should be aware that none of our current e-book readers can display a protected pdf file (as far as I am aware). The only way to read it is on a PC and only a small fraction of our members use PC monitor for reading.

Most of the reading devices "out there" use only one DRM scheme, there are some readers that can not display DRM-ed (that is protected) e-books at all.

You might want to investigate options of publishing books for Kindle.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/seller-acco...opic=200260520

You have given a try to mobi format

Sony will have an option soon similar to publishing on Amazon Kindle

You might try Digital Editions from Adobe
http://www.adobe.com/products/digita...?promoid=DTEIP
With Digital Editions you have to purchase service from Adobe
QUOTE
"Built-in copy protection
Digital Editions works in conjunction with Adobe Digital Experience Protection Technology (ADEPT), a hosted service that provides publishers with copy protection in both retail and library environments."

For other DRM (encrypted kind) schemes you might have to purchase similar services from DRM technology holder, so he would authorize the reader I wish to read your book on and lock your content with a key so only my authorized device can read the book.

You might consider selling books yourself.
You could produce a personalized version of graphical pdf file that contains for example credit card number or some other identification with page size optimized for particular reading device.

There are other options.

Winnetou · 10-18-2008, 06:46 PM

Hi kacir – aha – we’re getting closer. Considering that 10 years ago I had no idea what the Internet was (fact is I didn’t even know there was such an animal), and that I had my first book (the Bernese Mountain Dog Book) published in someone’s print shop – 50 copies, kept in a box in my studio, all hand-signed and individually numbered – things have changed pretty dramatically. The rest is history, as they say, but given the timespan between ‘what is an Internet?’ and ‘formatting e-books’, I’m pretty sure that, in the not too distant future, things will get even more simple.

Kindle is limited to USA, mobipocket didn’t work for me (by the sounds of it is ‘not protected’), Sony is still a way off, but this here:

>>>You might try Digital Editions from Adobe
http://www.adobe.com/products/digita...?promoid=DTEIP
With Digital Editions you have to purchase service from Adobe
QUOTE
"Built-in copy protection
Digital Editions works in conjunction with Adobe Digital Experience Protection Technology (ADEPT), a hosted service that provides publishers with copy protection in both retail and library environments."<<<

is coming pretty close to how I envisage this technology becoming more ‘user friendly’ to the author/publisher. Having a first look at it, it is still primarily aimed at the ‘professional’ market, with initial setup and then pay-as-you-go fees. I need to sell many books first before THAT becomes viable.

Conclusion: for me to be able to make available my translations in e-book format, I must consider the following:
- secure,
- user friendly (meaning, I can use it as easily and cheaply as the Lulu system for printed books [low to no cost setup means lower retail prices]),
- available across a range of e-readers.

I’m in no rush … enjoying what I do to get the translations ‘here’ is the main point for me – the rest will fall into place.

Back to South America and the Gran Chaco - following Dr. Morgenstern on his quest to find a gigantochelonia ... LOL ...
G'day from downunder
Marlies

kacir · 10-19-2008, 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winnetou

Conclusion: for me to be able to make available my translations in e-book format, I must consider the following:
- secure,
- user friendly (meaning, I can use it as easily and cheaply as the Lulu system for printed books [low to no cost setup means lower retail prices]),
- available across a range of e-readers.

Perhaps you should split point number 2
- user friendly
to two subcategories
2.a. Author friendly
2.b. Reader friendly

Have you seen our wiki?

There is quite a lot of information about DRM-ed and also unprotected e-book formats
https://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/E-book_formats

do not miss
https://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/E-book_stores

Winnetou · 10-20-2008, 05:27 AM

Hi kacir - I must admit, I was overwhelmed when I first visited the e-book wiki, and am even more so now having visited your two links.

Firstly, yes, indeed, you're correct, user-friendly must be split into author friendly and reader friendly. (I have the annoying habit of thinking people can read my mind!).

This requires quite a lot more homework on my part than I had initially thought. I don't mind admitting that it is confusing (I'm past the age where vanity forbids me to admit that I'm confused ... LOL) ... having said that - this forum is the first place (after a successon of many others in my search for e-book enlightenment) I encountered where things start to make sense. I gave up on it months ago (especially after the mobipocket experience almost a year ago) until Dave Berk's Winnetou quest ... anyway - one step for mankind, a huge leap for this woman, so I shall knuckle down and work my way through the neverending list of options from your two links.

Taking one day at a time, chances are that I will find many more questions before I get to publish my first e-book ... until then ...

cheerio and g'day from Tassie

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10-16-2008, 03:59 AM	#16
Dave Berk Fanatic Posts: 574 Karma: 138556 Join Date: May 2006 Device: PRS505	Thanks for your answers, Winnetou. I learnt a few things I didn't know about the books. Also, I agree with you regarding the PC stuff. A disclaimer is a pretty good way to go about that. Regarding ebooks conversion, Gudy is right, the best way is to start from the source format, which in your case, I assume, is a Word file. To convert from Word to a PRC (mobi format) use Mobipocket eBook Creator, available here. The program is free, intuitive, and easy to work with.

10-16-2008, 06:37 AM	#18
Winnetou Member Posts: 11 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2008 Device: none	Hi Dave Berk - I'm happy to elaborate on anything Karl May, but I think the folks at mobileread would become a bit toey after a while ... you can get me via the email displayed in the Karl May Bookstore for anything about Karl May at all --- once I start I'm hard to stop ... you might also find Savage To Saint a good source of info about the man ... one last pat on my shoulders: I'm the first author to have written an English language biography about Winnetou's creator !! I'm told it's 'controversial' ... eh - so is life ... but I'm happy to have helped another Karl May fan out there ... Hi eimert ... oops -- I just had a flashback ... my editor got me onto that free mobipocket thing ... I must say, after 2 weeks of trying to get 'something' done, I gave up ... pages missing, mis-aligned - wrong font (jumping from one font to another on the same page - and more ... 2 weeks was all I could spare to experiment with something that just wouldn't work ... that's why I'm with Lulu ... it works ... and I'm asking them about e-book formats ... cheerio m

10-17-2008, 09:00 AM	#19
Winnetou Member Posts: 11 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2008 Device: none	I'm back ... and have an interesting 'answer' of sorts from the Lulu forums ... about e-book availability etc : quote: On Lulu, the only ebook format available for sale is PDF. There isn't much to that. As far as other popular ebook formats are concerned, they all have licensing fees that would cost us authors more in setup fees. unquote There is absolutely nothing in this that I can do anything with (or even understand). I'm resorting to my old faithful: "What's it all mean?" So far I've learned that I've got to learn a heap about technology if I want to convert my Karl Mays to e-book formats readable on hand held devices (mobipocket didn't do it for me), that a PDF isn't readable on a hand held device, and that conversion of my Karl Mays to e-book formats is going to cost me. Hm... ... ... user-friendly (from the text creator's point of view) comes to mind, ease of delivery from text creator to reader comes to mind, interchangeable format comes to mind ... ... ... inventing the wheel comes to mind ... as a 'non-gadget' and 'non-technology-savvy' person, that is a mountain unsurmountable ... sigh ... At the moment I'm following Dr Morgenstern into the Gran Chaco uncovering Inca's treasures ... I'll deal with e-books later ... when they have become a bit more 'graspable' ... and when I can offer all those that can be read by most, I'll be back. Marlies

10-18-2008, 07:11 AM	#23
Winnetou Member Posts: 11 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2008 Device: none	Hi Hit&Run … Karl May is an inspiration – he survived against all odds – and even prospered … until the ‘Guardians of all things German’ (Kaiser Wilhelm was at the helm, it was the time of the Boxer Rebellion in ‘the far away Orient’) went after him … it was a public mob lynching attempt par excellence that spanned decades, but, in the end, Karl May triumphed, only a few days before he died. Hi slite (I wanted to tell you for some time – I like your Bernese puppy – I’ve written a book about the Bernese Mountain Dog, from the Australian point of view as I was the first person to import a Bernese into Australia directly from Switzerland in 1996 – injecting fresh blood into some truly good ‘old’ lines without the burdensome ‘modern’ genetic flaws.) Anyway – on with the quest of Karl May e-books … don’t worry about your French – I’m okay with that (I speak several of those languages myself <wince>) Hi kacir … to your note: >>>So tell us. How do you want to publish, and distribute your books? Do you plan to sell them? Locked (DRM-ed) or Unlocked (DRM-free)<<<< okeydokey … it takes a minimum of 17 weeks for one Karl May translation (the way I work and structure the translation/edit/proofreading steps). And that’s on a ‘constant’ basis. As I said earlier – I’m neither a publisher, nor other ‘big business’, Karl May translations are a hobby for me (I have them on Lulu [the first ones are on BookSurge/Amazon, but the horrendous ‘royalty-trap’ made me run for the hills] because there’s no use in just stockpiling the translations in the broom cupboard). Having said that … I would become an instant divorcee if I ‘give away’ my labour of love. Hubby has become used to playing the second fiddle next to Karl May, but he’s also very protective of my creations. Locked or unlocked doesn’t mean much to me. Don’t forget – I’m a ‘printed book worm’ and e-books is an abstract concept to me (thus far). However (and I’ll blame Dave Berk for it [I’m sure he won’t be too offended]) I’ve become interested in making available my Karl May translations in e-book format because there are obviously people out there who would appreciate it. So – no, I won’t make them available for free. No, I don’t want an impossible amount of money for them. I love the Lulu principle because the ‘formatting’ of the books is absolutely free, no fuss no hassle. If I chose to make them available to the reader, I can set an amount of money for myself – the system does the rest of the calculations. The PDFs are ‘protected’ obviously (believe me there are enough people out there who wouldn’t think twice about piracy on a Karl May translation – right down to ‘Hollywood talk’ … oh the crap that’s come my way because of what I do is unbelieveable [especially now that Karl May has entered ‘museum’ stage in his ‘home country’, which means he’s an accepted part of German heritage] and doesn’t belong here) – in that case, any e-book formats would have to be protected from that. Distribution? No idea. I’m not a sales person (on the contrary – I’m a dunce with regards to that … hubby is the salesman…in white goods … LOL). The short of a long story … I won’t give them away and I won’t do anything that would incur the risk of piracy (anything can be pirated, I’m aware of that, but why make it easy for them). Also … I need to be able to do everything myself – not becoming ‘involved’ with someone else on the project (but mobipocket didn’t work). Is that a ‘workable’ combination or ‘impossible’ ? I'm open to suggestions and guideposts that would send me in the right directions ...

10-18-2008, 08:14 AM	#24
Winnetou Member Posts: 11 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2008 Device: none	PS ... I still have the mobipocket thing on my PC - I can give it another try - but would need 'running commentary' on the process by someone as I couldn't figure it out on my own.

10-18-2008, 06:46 PM	#26
Winnetou Member Posts: 11 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2008 Device: none	Hi kacir – aha – we’re getting closer. Considering that 10 years ago I had no idea what the Internet was (fact is I didn’t even know there was such an animal), and that I had my first book (the Bernese Mountain Dog Book) published in someone’s print shop – 50 copies, kept in a box in my studio, all hand-signed and individually numbered – things have changed pretty dramatically. The rest is history, as they say, but given the timespan between ‘what is an Internet?’ and ‘formatting e-books’, I’m pretty sure that, in the not too distant future, things will get even more simple. Kindle is limited to USA, mobipocket didn’t work for me (by the sounds of it is ‘not protected’), Sony is still a way off, but this here: >>>You might try Digital Editions from Adobe http://www.adobe.com/products/digita...?promoid=DTEIP With Digital Editions you have to purchase service from Adobe QUOTE "Built-in copy protection Digital Editions works in conjunction with Adobe Digital Experience Protection Technology (ADEPT), a hosted service that provides publishers with copy protection in both retail and library environments."<<< is coming pretty close to how I envisage this technology becoming more ‘user friendly’ to the author/publisher. Having a first look at it, it is still primarily aimed at the ‘professional’ market, with initial setup and then pay-as-you-go fees. I need to sell many books first before THAT becomes viable. Conclusion: for me to be able to make available my translations in e-book format, I must consider the following: - secure, - user friendly (meaning, I can use it as easily and cheaply as the Lulu system for printed books [low to no cost setup means lower retail prices]), - available across a range of e-readers. I’m in no rush … enjoying what I do to get the translations ‘here’ is the main point for me – the rest will fall into place. Back to South America and the Gran Chaco - following Dr. Morgenstern on his quest to find a gigantochelonia ... LOL ... G'day from downunder Marlies

10-20-2008, 05:27 AM	#28
Winnetou Member Posts: 11 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2008 Device: none	Hi kacir - I must admit, I was overwhelmed when I first visited the e-book wiki, and am even more so now having visited your two links. Firstly, yes, indeed, you're correct, user-friendly must be split into author friendly and reader friendly. (I have the annoying habit of thinking people can read my mind!). This requires quite a lot more homework on my part than I had initially thought. I don't mind admitting that it is confusing (I'm past the age where vanity forbids me to admit that I'm confused ... LOL) ... having said that - this forum is the first place (after a successon of many others in my search for e-book enlightenment) I encountered where things start to make sense. I gave up on it months ago (especially after the mobipocket experience almost a year ago) until Dave Berk's Winnetou quest ... anyway - one step for mankind, a huge leap for this woman, so I shall knuckle down and work my way through the neverending list of options from your two links. Taking one day at a time, chances are that I will find many more questions before I get to publish my first e-book ... until then ... cheerio and g'day from Tassie

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