Amazon Control Of My Kindle - Page 2

barryem · 01-02-2018, 05:06 PM

I think the problem you're having with your Kindle has more to do with you not understanding the features than with the Kindle. My suggestion is that you take a little time to read up on collections and how to use them. You'll find they'll give you exactly what you want.

As for the danger of the cloud, yeah those are real, but they're real more as potential than as imminent. Giving Amazon access to knowledge of what you're reading might become dangerous if we become a dictatorship and the government decides to kill people who have read certain books. At the moment it won't do much more than affect the book recommendations you get. And if you deny Amazon access to your Kindle, and you can, they probably already have so much knowledge about you from other sources that the difference would be trivial.

I suggest you focus your fears on something really dangerous like zombies.

Barry

Lordblacknail · 01-02-2018, 07:10 PM

Ok, since I don't use the cloud, any cloud, maybe I just don't understand. But my perception of Amazon's cloud is that is only for content purchased from Amazon. I do have a few hundred books purchased from Amazon, but I have more than 400K ebooks on my computer. Am I to understand that all of my books that are in a collection on my Kindle are stored in Amazon's cloud, and that I can just dl the collection with the folder names and the books inside, from the cloud? That would be cool beans if true. All I know is that when I tried to create a Stephen King collection on my new Oasis, it said I couldn't use the name, because it already existed in the cloud.
PS to you Texas people. My home is Port Neches even though I was born in LA. Of course right now I live in the Philippines.

Cinisajoy · 01-02-2018, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lordblacknail

Ok, since I don't use the cloud, any cloud, maybe I just don't understand. But my perception of Amazon's cloud is that is only for content purchased from Amazon. I do have a few hundred books purchased from Amazon, but I have more than 400K ebooks on my computer. Am I to understand that all of my books that are in a collection on my Kindle are stored in Amazon's cloud, and that I can just dl the collection with the folder names and the books inside, from the cloud? That would be cool beans if true. All I know is that when I tried to create a Stephen King collection on my new Oasis, it said I couldn't use the name, because it already existed in the cloud.
PS to you Texas people. My home is Port Neches even though I was born in LA. Of course right now I live in the Philippines.

You missed the snow...

Sirtel · 01-02-2018, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lordblacknail

Ok, since I don't use the cloud, any cloud, maybe I just don't understand. But my perception of Amazon's cloud is that is only for content purchased from Amazon. I do have a few hundred books purchased from Amazon, but I have more than 400K ebooks on my computer. Am I to understand that all of my books that are in a collection on my Kindle are stored in Amazon's cloud, and that I can just dl the collection with the folder names and the books inside, from the cloud?

Your sideloaded books are not in the cloud. Your collections are. If you want your Stephen King collection on another Kindle, download it from the cloud (collection only) and then put your sideloaded books in it.

barryem · 01-02-2018, 11:24 PM

You can't really put 400k books on any e-ink device that I'm aware of. I think there's a problem, probably caused by Amazon, of people expecting to use the Kindle as a mass storage device. it's just not designed with that in mind and it won't do it very well. But they keep adding more storage and the marketing people hype how many books it can hold, which is really misleading. Yes it can hold a lot of books, but it becomes an unmanageable beast.

My suggestion is use it for reading. Keep your current book and maybe some other books you might read in the coming year on it and some you might want for reference and let it go at that. It's a reading device. it's not a hard drive.

I do understand the temptation to have all your books in one place. I just don't think it's all that practical. It's sort of like the guys that empty our dumpster doing that with a motor scooter.

Barry

Barry

Cinisajoy · 01-02-2018, 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barryem

You can't really put 400k books on any e-ink device that I'm aware of. I think there's a problem, probably caused by Amazon, of people expecting to use the Kindle as a mass storage device. it's just not designed with that in mind and it won't do it very well. But they keep adding more storage and the marketing people hype how many books it can hold, which is really misleading. Yes it can hold a lot of books, but it becomes an unmanageable beast.

My suggestion is use it for reading. Keep your current book and maybe some other books you might read in the coming year on it and some you might want for reference and let it go at that. It's a reading device. it's not a hard drive.

I do understand the temptation to have all your books in one place. I just don't think it's all that practical. It's sort of like the guys that empty our dumpster doing that with a motor scooter.

Barry

Barry

Most people don't have libraries. There are exceptions.

Lordblacknail · 01-03-2018, 01:48 AM

Never expected or tried to put all my books on any device except my 8tb hard drives. I only put the books on my Kindle that I want to read. But my interests are varied, and I never know when I might get the urge to re read l'Amour or Sandford, or Haig and I want to be able to read them when I want, no matter where I am. This 32gb is probably overkill since I don't listen to Audio books, but who knows. With a solar powered power bank and a loaded Kindle, the end of the world can come and I will still be reading, hopefully. Thanks for all your help, I will read about collections, and it is good to know about the collection being in the cloud, but not MY books, but I think I am good the way I have it for now. I do hhave a lot of old stuff that I like to re read, but I find new stuff all the time. I mean, who doesn't have Lam and Cool, Nero and Archie, Travis and Pratchett on their Kindles for when you just want a fun read?

Robmonster · 01-03-2018, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Tarana

The issue you are having is why it's difficult for me to use Collections properly on the newer kindles. I have multiple family member's kindles on my account and what they want for Scifi, for instance, is different from what I want for Scifi. You can sort it out, somewhat, by just naming a new, similar folder.

For instance, you apparently want two Stephen King Collections. Just name them Stephen King 1 and Stephen King 2.

Believe me, it's a lot more complicated when you have 3 people who read science fiction all using the same account!

I try to ask people to prefix their collections with their initials, so RM - SciFi and RM- Currently Reading and so on. That way it's dead easy to see which collections below to which people for when they get a new device.

I don't know what the original poster is talking about.

HLS · 01-03-2018, 10:31 PM

I may be confused and not know what the origional poster is referring to but as long as your collections are by amazon they are stored on the cloud and automatically show up on all your devices you register to your amazon account. It all moves over but if you have books from other than amazon those do not get stored on Amazons servers so you will have to side load them again. I do not know why you want to have two folders Named Stephen King when you only need one?? If you have books to side load, once you reload them again you should be able to add them to the existng collection again

janrey · 01-05-2018, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barryem

You can't really put 400k books on any e-ink device that I'm aware of. I think there's a problem, probably caused by Amazon, of people expecting to use the Kindle as a mass storage device. it's just not designed with that in mind and it won't do it very well. But they keep adding more storage and the marketing people hype how many books it can hold, which is really misleading. Yes it can hold a lot of books, but it becomes an unmanageable beast.

My suggestion is use it for reading. Keep your current book and maybe some other books you might read in the coming year on it and some you might want for reference and let it go at that. It's a reading device. it's not a hard drive.

I do understand the temptation to have all your books in one place. I just don't think it's all that practical. It's sort of like the guys that empty our dumpster doing that with a motor scooter.

Barry

Barry

I agree with you here. I keep on it just a few books. Currently all that are on it are this years challenge to read 50 books from 50 states. I created a collection named just that and have two other collections read and unread. That is all I need.

If you have family with multiple devices wanting separate collections have them preface it by their name or nick as they see fit to avoid similar naming and finding their collections.

barryem · 01-05-2018, 05:40 PM

I have about 60 books on one of my Kindles. The rest have 20 to 30 books each. I need to clean up the one with 60 books but I've just put it off. It's too many books. It makes browsing clumsy. Also I have 3G so it's trivial to download any book any time.

That said, I put the entire Dropbox collection on my new Nook Glowlight 3. That's 518 books. I put books into my Dropbox collection so I can browse through them easily on my phone wherever I might be. It began as a backup of favorite books and has turned into my primary library of late. And now the whole thing is on my Glowlight, probably just as an experiment but I'll see.

It does make browsing my library on the Glowlight difficult. I can find what I want by searching if I know what I want but if I don't and I just want to find something to read I'll look at a book, look at a few more and then want to take another look at one a while ago and if I can't remember the title or author my odds of finding it again are small.

Still, it really is a nice feeling to have so many wonderful books all in one device that fits into my pocket. And if I get hit by a bus maybe it'll go to heaven with me and I'll have plenty to read there, and, according to rumor, lots of time to read them.

My guess is that I'll pare it down to 30 or 40 books in time but who knows!

Barry

Josieb1 · 01-07-2018, 04:57 PM

We have three readers sharing one Amazon account. Each of us prefix our collections with our name, that way we can all have a history or thriller collection. But even if we all download the same collection it’s up to each person what books they download from within it. Managing cloud collections for multiple persons and kindles (we have four Kindles and one Fire between us) is easy.

01-03-2018, 10:31 PM	#24
HLS Wizard Posts: 2,133 Karma: 16342480 Join Date: May 2017 Device: Sage, Scribe, Boox Note 2 Plus, iPad Pros and Samsungs S6,S7,S8	I may be confused and not know what the origional poster is referring to but as long as your collections are by amazon they are stored on the cloud and automatically show up on all your devices you register to your amazon account. It all moves over but if you have books from other than amazon those do not get stored on Amazons servers so you will have to side load them again. I do not know why you want to have two folders Named Stephen King when you only need one?? If you have books to side load, once you reload them again you should be able to add them to the existng collection again Last edited by HLS; 01-03-2018 at 10:40 PM.

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01-02-2018, 05:06 PM	#16
barryem Wizard Posts: 2,459 Karma: 68781975 Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Arkansas Device: Paperwhite 4	I think the problem you're having with your Kindle has more to do with you not understanding the features than with the Kindle. My suggestion is that you take a little time to read up on collections and how to use them. You'll find they'll give you exactly what you want. As for the danger of the cloud, yeah those are real, but they're real more as potential than as imminent. Giving Amazon access to knowledge of what you're reading might become dangerous if we become a dictatorship and the government decides to kill people who have read certain books. At the moment it won't do much more than affect the book recommendations you get. And if you deny Amazon access to your Kindle, and you can, they probably already have so much knowledge about you from other sources that the difference would be trivial. I suggest you focus your fears on something really dangerous like zombies. Barry

01-02-2018, 07:10 PM	#17
Lordblacknail Groupie Posts: 171 Karma: 330000 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Tampa, Florida Device: Kobo Libre 2 Galaxy Tab S7 Plus Kobo Libre Colour	Ok, since I don't use the cloud, any cloud, maybe I just don't understand. But my perception of Amazon's cloud is that is only for content purchased from Amazon. I do have a few hundred books purchased from Amazon, but I have more than 400K ebooks on my computer. Am I to understand that all of my books that are in a collection on my Kindle are stored in Amazon's cloud, and that I can just dl the collection with the folder names and the books inside, from the cloud? That would be cool beans if true. All I know is that when I tried to create a Stephen King collection on my new Oasis, it said I couldn't use the name, because it already existed in the cloud. PS to you Texas people. My home is Port Neches even though I was born in LA. Of course right now I live in the Philippines.

01-02-2018, 11:24 PM	#20
barryem Wizard Posts: 2,459 Karma: 68781975 Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Arkansas Device: Paperwhite 4	You can't really put 400k books on any e-ink device that I'm aware of. I think there's a problem, probably caused by Amazon, of people expecting to use the Kindle as a mass storage device. it's just not designed with that in mind and it won't do it very well. But they keep adding more storage and the marketing people hype how many books it can hold, which is really misleading. Yes it can hold a lot of books, but it becomes an unmanageable beast. My suggestion is use it for reading. Keep your current book and maybe some other books you might read in the coming year on it and some you might want for reference and let it go at that. It's a reading device. it's not a hard drive. I do understand the temptation to have all your books in one place. I just don't think it's all that practical. It's sort of like the guys that empty our dumpster doing that with a motor scooter. Barry Barry

01-03-2018, 01:48 AM	#22
Lordblacknail Groupie Posts: 171 Karma: 330000 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Tampa, Florida Device: Kobo Libre 2 Galaxy Tab S7 Plus Kobo Libre Colour	Never expected or tried to put all my books on any device except my 8tb hard drives. I only put the books on my Kindle that I want to read. But my interests are varied, and I never know when I might get the urge to re read l'Amour or Sandford, or Haig and I want to be able to read them when I want, no matter where I am. This 32gb is probably overkill since I don't listen to Audio books, but who knows. With a solar powered power bank and a loaded Kindle, the end of the world can come and I will still be reading, hopefully. Thanks for all your help, I will read about collections, and it is good to know about the collection being in the cloud, but not MY books, but I think I am good the way I have it for now. I do hhave a lot of old stuff that I like to re read, but I find new stuff all the time. I mean, who doesn't have Lam and Cool, Nero and Archie, Travis and Pratchett on their Kindles for when you just want a fun read?

01-05-2018, 05:40 PM	#26
barryem Wizard Posts: 2,459 Karma: 68781975 Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Arkansas Device: Paperwhite 4	I have about 60 books on one of my Kindles. The rest have 20 to 30 books each. I need to clean up the one with 60 books but I've just put it off. It's too many books. It makes browsing clumsy. Also I have 3G so it's trivial to download any book any time. That said, I put the entire Dropbox collection on my new Nook Glowlight 3. That's 518 books. I put books into my Dropbox collection so I can browse through them easily on my phone wherever I might be. It began as a backup of favorite books and has turned into my primary library of late. And now the whole thing is on my Glowlight, probably just as an experiment but I'll see. It does make browsing my library on the Glowlight difficult. I can find what I want by searching if I know what I want but if I don't and I just want to find something to read I'll look at a book, look at a few more and then want to take another look at one a while ago and if I can't remember the title or author my odds of finding it again are small. Still, it really is a nice feeling to have so many wonderful books all in one device that fits into my pocket. And if I get hit by a bus maybe it'll go to heaven with me and I'll have plenty to read there, and, according to rumor, lots of time to read them. My guess is that I'll pare it down to 30 or 40 books in time but who knows! Barry

01-07-2018, 04:57 PM	#27
Josieb1 Grand Sorcerer Posts: 5,086 Karma: 18051062 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: UK Device: Kindle Scribe, Coloursoft, PW SE, Kindle 6, Kobo Libra 2	We have three readers sharing one Amazon account. Each of us prefix our collections with our name, that way we can all have a history or thriller collection. But even if we all download the same collection it’s up to each person what books they download from within it. Managing cloud collections for multiple persons and kindles (we have four Kindles and one Fire between us) is easy.

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