Amazon v. Google: soon no YouTube on Fire TV - Page 2

Deskisamess · 12-11-2017, 04:15 PM

I love Kindles. But I'd never consider another Fire tablet, and their Fire TV and Fire Stick has never even been a consideration for us. We like Prime, and the benefits that come with it, but their video streaming is sub-par IMO.

We have a fast connection and a good router. All of our devices connect and stream Netflix and other streaming apps with no issues. Prime video, on the other hand, stops, locked up, the app closes for no reason, and so on. This happens on all of our iDevices and with the smart tv. It is reliable in its unreliability.

We use a Roku for those apps that our tv doesn't have, Acorn TV for example.

We are buying less from Amazon than in years past, for many reasons. I've never had an issue with a purchase that wasn't taken care of. But their shipping issues have sent up red flags for me, and I don't buy from them automatically anymore.

ZodWallop · 12-11-2017, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Deskisamess

I love Kindles. But I'd never consider another Fire tablet, and their Fire TV and Fire Stick has never even been a consideration for us. We like Prime, and the benefits that come with it, but their video streaming is sub-par IMO.

I've never had problems with the app itself, but navigating in it is subpar when compared to YouTube and Netflix.

I do appreciate that Amazon generally has a lot of older movies where Netflix seems to focus on newer stuff. For me, the two services compliment each other.

DiapDealer · 12-11-2017, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ZodWallop

For me, the two services compliment each other.

Same here. I've never felt pressured to exclusively commit to one streaming service--or device, for that matter.

I have both Rokus and FireTV devices, so I don't have to worry about these petty licensing squabbles. But in this instance, Youtube's not really a game-changer. I almost never use it.

As far as UIs go, I think all video streaming services stink. And their algorithms are all horrible at putting content I enjoy in front of my eyes. I have to search externally and then see which services provide what I find.

ZodWallop · 12-11-2017, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Same here. I've never felt pressured to exclusively commit to one streaming service--or device, for that matter.

I have both Rokus and FireTV devices, so I don't have to worry about these petty licensing squabbles. But in this instance, Youtube's not really a game-changer. I almost never use it.

As far as UIs go, I think all video streaming services stink. And their algorithms are all horrible at putting content I enjoy in front of my eyes. I have to search externally and then see which services provide what I find.

What does the FireTV have that Roku doesn't? I use a Blu Ray dvd player with apps built in. But if I were to buy a different device I always figured the Roku has everything from Amazon and Google. That was one of the benefits of being a third party.

Right now, I only use Netflix, Amazon and YouTube (there's a lot more on there than you would figure). I suppose if we ever cut cable I'd branch out a little more.

DiapDealer · 12-11-2017, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ZodWallop

What does the FireTV have that Roku doesn't?

It's the reverse for me, actually. Roku has the Spectrum cable TV app and the FireTV doesn't (allows me to watch cable on TVs without a set top box and their accompanying monthly fees). But the FireTV integrates better with Echo/Alexa. In fact, several apps for the FireTV have been updated to make better use of voice control/Alexa.

ZodWallop · 12-11-2017, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

It's the reverse for me, actually. Roku has the Spectrum cable TV app and the FireTV doesn't (allows me to watch cable on TVs without a set top box and their accompanying monthly fees). But the FireTV integrates better with Echo/Alexa. In fact, several apps for the FireTV have been updated to make better use of voice control/Alexa.

Gotcha. Since I'm not worried about Alexa, sounds like I could get by with a Roku.

DiapDealer · 12-11-2017, 06:17 PM

More than likely, yes.

rcentros · 12-11-2017, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ZodWallop

Gotcha. Since I'm not worried about Alexa, sounds like I could get by with a Roku.

That was my solution. I had a (actually "have a," my son is using it now) Chromecast but what wanted to use Amazon Prime, Vudu, Google Video, Crackle (whatever) without having to worry about this stupidity. It's worked out well for us.

Barbara1955 · 12-11-2017, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

I thought you got a $30 phone on Black Friday.
Sorry you had such bad luck.

That was a Locked phone I got on sale a Best Buy.... turned out was Locked. So I returned it to Best buy a few days later. Then Paid 150+ for one from T-Mobile on the 1st.

BTW another thing my Amazon Fires No Longer work with my PC. Everything else does fine but not the Fires of the PW3

Cinisajoy · 12-11-2017, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Barbara1955

That was a Locked phone I got on sale a Best Buy.... turned out was Locked. So I returned it to Best buy a few days later. Then Paid 150+ for one from T-Mobile on the 1st.

BTW another thing my Amazon Fires No Longer work with my PC. Everything else does fine but not the Fires of the PW3

Thanks. You just did me a huge favor by letting me know I will have to get it at Walmart. I don't want to go to Walmart. Don't make me go to Walmart this time of year. I need a new phone. My 3.5 year old phone doesn't want to connect to the Internet anymore.
I will go after Christmas.

Apache · 12-12-2017, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

Thanks. You just did me a huge favor by letting me know I will have to get it at Walmart. I don't want to go to Walmart. Don't make me go to Walmart this time of year. I need a new phone. My 3.5 year old phone doesn't want to connect to the Internet anymore.
I will go after Christmas.

Go very early in the morning 4 or 5 AM.

Apache

Barbara1955 · 12-13-2017, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Apache

Go very early in the morning 4 or 5 AM.

Apache

Or Mid Day when the kids are in school & the parents are a work

Apache · 12-13-2017, 08:02 PM

Our Walmart is busy even in the afternoon, especially this time of year.
Apache

crossi · 12-14-2017, 07:41 AM

I cut my cable cord a year ago because I rarely watch TV and was tired of monthly charges. I bought a HD antenna and a Fire TV box, but only recently set up the Fire TV when I got prime. I still rarely watch TV and really don't want to subscribe to any of the monthly streaming services like Netflix. Between what I get from the antenna and Prime offerings I get enough to watch without any monthly fees. As for YouTube I don't care if its on my Fire TV, it's fine using my computer for that.

pwalker8 · 12-14-2017, 09:38 AM

I use an AppleTV, Tivo, iPad and iMac for my various video sources.

Both Google and Amazon have interesting dynamics in this little battle. Amazon's issue is that people don't want a bunch of different devices, they want one and content is king on that device. If you can't get youTube, then young people don't want it. Google's issue is that Amazon is the go to place for new devices, so if they aren't on Amazon, where will people buy their devices?

I do think that eventually, we will see some sort of front end that hides the complexity of all the different video sources. Apple is trying to be that with their video app, but so far, I haven't been impressed with that app. The various audio front ends (Siri and Alexi with several more coming out) try to be that as well, but I think that interface is limited.

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12-11-2017, 04:15 PM	#16
Deskisamess Wizard Posts: 2,757 Karma: 45827597 Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Ohio Device: iPhone 13 Pro, iPad mini, iPad Pro 12.9",Paperwhite 6.8", Scribe 2022	I love Kindles. But I'd never consider another Fire tablet, and their Fire TV and Fire Stick has never even been a consideration for us. We like Prime, and the benefits that come with it, but their video streaming is sub-par IMO. We have a fast connection and a good router. All of our devices connect and stream Netflix and other streaming apps with no issues. Prime video, on the other hand, stops, locked up, the app closes for no reason, and so on. This happens on all of our iDevices and with the smart tv. It is reliable in its unreliability. We use a Roku for those apps that our tv doesn't have, Acorn TV for example. We are buying less from Amazon than in years past, for many reasons. I've never had an issue with a purchase that wasn't taken care of. But their shipping issues have sent up red flags for me, and I don't buy from them automatically anymore.

12-11-2017, 06:17 PM	#22
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 28,605 Karma: 204624552 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	More than likely, yes.

12-13-2017, 08:02 PM	#28
Apache Readaholic Posts: 5,279 Karma: 90000484 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: South Georgia Device: Surface Pro 6 / Galaxy Tab A 8"	Our Walmart is busy even in the afternoon, especially this time of year. Apache

12-14-2017, 07:41 AM	#29
crossi Guru Posts: 997 Karma: 12000001 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Seattle Wahington U.S. Device: kindle	I cut my cable cord a year ago because I rarely watch TV and was tired of monthly charges. I bought a HD antenna and a Fire TV box, but only recently set up the Fire TV when I got prime. I still rarely watch TV and really don't want to subscribe to any of the monthly streaming services like Netflix. Between what I get from the antenna and Prime offerings I get enough to watch without any monthly fees. As for YouTube I don't care if its on my Fire TV, it's fine using my computer for that.

12-14-2017, 09:38 AM	#30
pwalker8 Grand Sorcerer Posts: 7,196 Karma: 70314280 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Atlanta, GA Device: iPad Pro, iPad mini, Kobo Aura, Amazon paperwhite, Sony PRS-T2	I use an AppleTV, Tivo, iPad and iMac for my various video sources. Both Google and Amazon have interesting dynamics in this little battle. Amazon's issue is that people don't want a bunch of different devices, they want one and content is king on that device. If you can't get youTube, then young people don't want it. Google's issue is that Amazon is the go to place for new devices, so if they aren't on Amazon, where will people buy their devices? I do think that eventually, we will see some sort of front end that hides the complexity of all the different video sources. Apple is trying to be that with their video app, but so far, I haven't been impressed with that app. The various audio front ends (Siri and Alexi with several more coming out) try to be that as well, but I think that interface is limited.

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