Kobo Aura One VS Tolino Vision 4 HD

[ZodWallop]

Originally Posted by maddz

...99% of my 'purchases' are made via the iPad (from Amazon) or via the Mac (for Kobo and other sources). I have never used my Kobo Touch to purchase content, and would never use any dedicated ereader to do so as everything is consolidated with Calibre.

I apologize in advance as I am coming in at the end and I may be dense.

If you play by the rules, every non-Android e-reader is a walled garden. You buy Tolino books from Tolino, Kobo books from Kobo, Kindle books from Amazon and so on.

But it looks like everything you are purchasing (except possibly for your Kobo purchases) is being sideloaded to your Kobo Touch. In that case, I can't understand how your world would change if you bought a Tolino?

I don't buy any books from Kobo. I buy everything from Amazon, de-DRM and sideload via Calibre. This means I can buy any e-reader I choose, be it a Kobo, Kindle, Nook or even a Tolino.

Sorry. I just don't understand the issue you're having.

[AnemicOak]

Originally Posted by ZodWallop

If you play by the rules, every non-Android e-reader is a walled garden. You buy Tolino books from Tolino, Kobo books from Kobo, Kindle books from Amazon and so on.

Not sure what you mean by "play by the rules". None of the devices you mentioned have any requirement that you buy content from the attached store. A lot of people do because they find it more convenient, but content can be purchased from many outlets for all of those devices.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by maddz

As we don't have this in the UK, I can't register it with a bookseller. Having to register with a bookseller smacks of walled garden to me. Besides, when I looked on the Tolino website, I got told it's not available to me as I live in the UK (although it seems freely available to me on Amazon).

Either way, the lack of page turn buttons and the cost put me off. I want something that's reasonably priced, has at least double the amount of onboard storage I need right now (I'm slowly replacing my physical books with ebooks), has page turn buttons and works correctly with my Mac if I've added a SD card.

Page turn buttons and 8gb of ram at a reasonable price will give you a very slim choice.

[ZodWallop]

Originally Posted by AnemicOak

Not sure what you mean by "play by the rules". None of the devices you mentioned have any requirement that you buy content from the attached store. A lot of people do because they find it more convenient, but content can be purchased from many outlets for all of those devices.

"Play by the rules" would mean not stripping DRM from purchased books.

However you want to look at it, I'm just trying to say that the Tolino device doesn't seem any more 'walled garden' than any of the other readers I mentioned.

[AnemicOak]

Originally Posted by ZodWallop

"Play by the rules" would mean not stripping DRM from purchased books.

However you want to look at it, I'm just trying to say that the Tolino device doesn't seem any more 'walled garden' than any of the other readers I mentioned.

You're right it's not any more walled than anything else.



You don't have to strip DRM to use any of the various readers with content from other sources and not use the attached stores at all. It just depends on what/where the content is from and what it is. Kindle is the most walled, in the sense that DRM'd content (sans disinfecting) is only available one place. Kobo, B&N, Tolino can use DRM from any source that offers content with Adobe Adept DRM (Google, Kobo, eBooks.com, BAM, some big pubs, etc.).

[ZodWallop]

Originally Posted by AnemicOak

You're right it's not any more walled than anything else.

See? In the end, we agree.

You don't have to strip DRM to use any of the various readers with content from other sources and not use the attached stores at all. It just depends on what/where the content is from and what it is. Kindle is the most walled, in the sense that DRM'd content (sans disinfecting) is only available one place. Kobo, B&N, Tolino can use DRM from any source that offers content with Adobe Adept DRM (Google, Kobo, eBooks.com, BAM, some big pubs, etc.).

That I didn't know. I guess because I have only bought from Smashwords (DRM free), B&N back in their 'social DRM' phase and Amazon. And I auto-strip DRM from everything, on general principle.

[soulfuldog]

Originally Posted by AnemicOak

You don't have to strip DRM to use any of the various readers with content from other sources and not use the attached stores at all. It just depends on what/where the content is from and what it is. Kindle is the most walled, in the sense that DRM'd content (sans disinfecting) is only available one place. Kobo, B&N, Tolino can use DRM from any source that offers content with Adobe Adept DRM (Google, Kobo, eBooks.com, BAM, some big pubs, etc.).

Except if you download the Kepub version from Kobo, isn't that right (there will always be the standard epub available too). Are there any other bookstores that have a similar kepub/epub option?

Apart from Nook only giving a minimal amount of space to non Nook books (is this still the case or has that been fixed?), there is no difference in terms of any epub readers being any more of a walled garden than any other. Regardless of them being 'attached' to a particular bookstore.

It just makes it easier to buy books directly from your ereader if its linked. That apart, you just buy instead from your computer, tablet and sideload.

[JSWolf]

Yes, the partitioned storage has been fixed in the current nook.

[ZodWallop]

Originally Posted by soulfuldog

Apart from Nook only giving a minimal amount of space to non Nook books (is this still the case or has that been fixed?)

Depends on how you define 'fixed'. They did that minimal sideloading space junk on one model: the Nook Glowlight. They had a backlash and so the current model, the Glowlight Plus doesn't have that sideloading restriction. But as far as I know, if you bought the old Nook Glowlight, it would still have that issue. I don't think they ever fixed it for that model.

The versions before (Nook ST, Nook ST with Glowlight) and the current model don't have the sideloading restriction.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Yes, the partitioned storage has been fixed in the current nook.

Fixed as in "can't be changed", or fixed as in "done away with"?

[radius]

Originally Posted by AnemicOak

Kindle is the most walled, in the sense that DRM'd content (sans disinfecting) is only available one place. Kobo, B&N, Tolino can use DRM from any source that offers content with Adobe Adept DRM (Google, Kobo, eBooks.com, BAM, some big pubs, etc.).

To me, one difference is your cloud bookshelf. In the case of iBooks and Google Play Books, I can upload my de-DRMed books from any store back into the cloud and have them appear on my shelf and be syncable to all devices etc. If that is possible on Kobo or Kindle clouds, they certainly don't make it easy or obvious.

I have no recent experience with other bookstores.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by radius

To me, one difference is your cloud bookshelf. In the case of iBooks and Google Play Books, I can upload my de-DRMed books from any store back into the cloud and have them appear on my shelf and be syncable to all devices etc. If that is possible on Kobo or Kindle clouds, they certainly don't make it easy or obvious.

You can do exactly that with the Kindle, and it's very, very easy.

[shalym]

Originally Posted by HarryT

You can do exactly that with the Kindle, and it's very, very easy.

Exactly. With Kindle, you can either email the books to the Kindle cloud or use the Send to Kindle app. You can even use the Send to Kindle extension/add-on for Firefox or Chrome to send web articles directly to your Kindle cloud.

Shari

[AnemicOak]

Originally Posted by radius

In the case of iBooks and Google Play Books, I can upload my de-DRMed books from any store back into the cloud and have them appear on my shelf and be syncable to all devices etc.

Amazon was the first one to offer this.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by AnemicOak

Amazon was the first one to offer this.

Exactly. Amazon had a "cloud library" years before anyone else did. It was always one of the Kindle's selling points, the fact that you could upload personal documents to the cloud and read then on any of your devices, and your reading positions, annotations, etc, would be synced between all your reading devices.