The advisability of stripping DRM - a cautionary tale - Page 2

Jean · 10-17-2016, 03:52 PM

Cinisajoy - I can't use manage my kindle on my desktop computer because the option to download to my K1 is greyed out. Next time I am in town I will see If I can use the K1's content manager to download wirelessly an otherwise incompatible book.

At the moment I use Kindle for PC for DRM removal.

DiapDealer · 10-17-2016, 04:03 PM

Either way; it's still newsworthy if Amazon has indeed ended the ability to download files for USB transfer to a K1 (given that the K1 is still registered to your account, of course). That would be new. But it still wouldn't be the end of the world as long as ebooks can still be purchased from the K1 (or delivered to the K1 via whispersync). If they can't, then that means the K1 has been officially retired as a supported device. I'm not saying that's impossible, but I find it hard to believe that such a thing would be done quietly.

Jean · 10-17-2016, 04:19 PM

Well there probably aren't that many people still actually using a K1. With manage my kindle on my desktop the option to download to my desktop for my K1 is greyed out. Later when I am able to get into town I'll see if I can wirelessly transfer a book to my K1.

It's not a major issue - I can still use Kindle for PC for DRM removal purposes. If I couldn't then I would be very angry. I just thought I would bring it to peoples attention as something to consider.

Cinisajoy · 10-17-2016, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean

Cinisajoy - I can't use manage my kindle on my desktop computer because the option to download to my K1 is greyed out. Next time I am in town I will see If I can use the K1's content manager to download wirelessly an otherwise incompatible book.

At the moment I use Kindle for PC for DRM removal.

If you are going to use calibre can you go to manage my kindle and send the books to kindle for PC and then sideload them onto the K1?

HarryT · 10-17-2016, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

If you are going to use calibre can you go to manage my kindle and send the books to kindle for PC and then sideload them onto the K1?

This is what the OP has already stated she is doing.

Jean · 10-17-2016, 04:43 PM

That's what I am now doing and it's very easy to do. I had just never bothered doing it that way before since downloading from manage my kindle had been working for me.

Strether · 10-17-2016, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Either way; it's still newsworthy if Amazon has indeed ended the ability to download files for USB transfer to a K1 (given that the K1 is still registered to your account, of course). That would be new.

I just checked in the Manage Devices and Content section on one of my recent books. Looking at the USB transfer option, only my Voyage and Oasis weren't grayed out. But I could still download directly to my Kindle 1 using the 3G option. But another older (though recently purchased) book was available for USB transfer. So I assume the formatting of the book is the issue.

Jim

Strether · 10-17-2016, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean

Well there probably aren't that many people still actually using a K1. With manage my kindle on my desktop the option to download to my desktop for my K1 is greyed out. Later when I am able to get into town I'll see if I can wirelessly transfer a book to my K1.

You don't need to go to town to check. Just look at the download option and see if your device is listed. If it isn't grayed out, then my assumption would be that it would transfer just fine.

Jim

Cinisajoy · 10-17-2016, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

This is what the OP has already stated she is doing.

I misread her posts.

Jean · 10-17-2016, 05:21 PM

I can confirm that downloading a book via Wi-Fi on my Kindle does work. I'm not certain if it has anything to do with the format though because I have 27 books from 2008 alone that don't work using a download cable

Jean · 10-17-2016, 05:22 PM

The download option is grayed out for those 27 books. 300 books total up till now. I'm not certain why I am allowed to transfer them wirelessly but not download them from manage my kindle. If my device is incompatible it shouldn't matter whether I am wirelessly downloading or downloading them by download cable

Jean · 10-17-2016, 05:41 PM

I had to go into town because wifi doesn't work at my house. Thats why I preferred to use the download option.

AnemicOak · 10-17-2016, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AnemicOak

Can you share any of the titles that have been made incompatible? It would be interesting to do further research.

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Originally Posted by pwalker8

I mentioned this issue in another thread, i.e. I had been using my old original kindle as the device when I downloaded to my mac. Basically, they now have compatible devices and the older devices don't support the new AZW3 format. I suspect the question of downloading an ebook depends on if it's been updated to the new format or not, i.e. the publisher has updated the book for some reason or another. I generally get 2 or 3 book updated notices a week.

In the past books that were delivered in AZW3 to newer devices would still be delivered as AZW/Mobi to older devices as the files generated using Amazon's tools are/were a hybrid which contained both AZW/Mobi and AZW3/KF8. Are you saying that's no longer the case?

Jean · 10-18-2016, 03:21 AM

AnemicOak asked for a list of books that will no longer download via USB from manage my kindle to my K1. I didn't want to list all 300, but below is a listing of 10 books per year listed by the year I purchased them.

It's a somewhat lengthy list so I apologize in advance.

2016

The Day She Died by Bill Garrison
The Forever War by Joe Haldeman
Because of Miss Bridgerton by Julia Quinn
Enemy by K. Eason
War Brides by Helen Bryan
Only Beloved by Mary Balogh
I Spy a Duke by Erica Monroe
The Ocean at the End of the Lane by Neil Gaiman
In Times Like These by Nathan van Coops
Timebound by Rysa Walker

2015

The Martian by Andy Weir
Opening Up by Lauren Dane
Dark Horse by Michelle Dienier
The Iron King by Julie Kagawa
Into Thin Air by John Krakauer
Sackett by Louis L’Amour
Falling Under by Lauren Dane
Before They are Hanged by Joe Abercrombie
The Outlander Series by Diana Gabaldon
Undeclared by Jen Frederick

2014

The Perfume Collector by Kathleen Tessaro
Hexed by Kevin Hearne
Redemption Road by Laurie Breton
Third Degree by Julie Cross
To Say Nothing of the Dog by Connie Willis
The House of Many Worlds by Sam Merwin Jr.
Running Back by Allison Parr
The Normans by Lars Brownworth
A Quest of Heroes by Morgan Rice
A Dream Defiant by Susanna Fraser

2013

Unguarded by Tracy Wolff
Sweet Dreams by Kristen Ashley
Skies of Gold by Zoe Archer
The Guns of August by Barbara Tuchman
In a Heartbeat by Hilary Storm
Keeping Kate by Pat Warren
The Storm of War by Andrew Roberts
All the Right Reasons by Sandy James
Lady Luck by Kristen Ashley
11/22/63 by Stephen King

2012

The Emerald Talisman by Brenda Pandos
Dreaming of You by Lisa Kleypas
The Count of Monte Cristo by Alexandre Dumas
Flint by Louis L’Amour
Blackstone’s Bride by Bronwyn Williams
The Lady Risks All by Stephanie Laurens
Already Home by Vicki Lewis Thompson
The Wary Widow by Jerrica Knight-Catania
Texas Lily by Patricia Rice
The Duchess Hunt by Elizabeth Beacon

2011

The Gamekeeper’s Lady by Ann Lethbridge
Kiss of Snow by Nalini Singh
A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin
Kearney’s March by Winston Groom
Amber by Night by Sharon Sala
Collide by Megan Hart
Just One Season in London by Leigh Michaels
Germs, Genes and Civilization by David Clark
Double Dare by Rhonda Nelson
Just Like Heaven by Julia Quinn

2010

A Bridge to Far by Cornelius Ryan
Down the Long Hills by Louis L’Amour
Songbird by Maya Banks
Eyes of Silver, Eyes of Gold by Ellen O’Connell
The Strain by Guillermo del Toro
The Sergeant’s Lady by Susanna Fraser
The Hittite by Ben Bova
Marrying the Royal Marine by Carla Kelly
Clan of the Cave Bear by Jean Auel
His Cavalry Lady by Joanna Maitland

2009

Virgin River by Robyn Carr
Red Mars by Kim Stanley Robinson
Blood Engines by T. A. Pratt
Dancing in the Moonlight by Raeanne Thayne
His Majesty’s Dragon by Naomi Novik
Finders Keepers by Linea Sinclair
Darkfever by Karen Marie Moning
Return Engagement by Harry Turtledove
Lord of the Rings Trilogy by J.R.R. Tolkein
Speed Dating by Nancy Warren

2008

Anything For You by Sarah Mayberry
Transfer of Power by Vince Flynn
Midnight Rising by Lara Adrian
Seize the Night by Sherrilyn Kenyon
One Silent Night by Sherrilyn Kenyon
In too Deep by Cherry Adair
Understood by Maya Banks
Shifter by Angela Knight
The Lost Duke of Wyndham by Julia Quinn
Twilight by Stephanie Meyer

drjd · 10-18-2016, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jean

AnemicOak asked for a list of books that will no longer download via USB from manage my kindle to my K1. I didn't want to list all 300, but below is a listing of 10 books per year listed by the year I purchased them.

It's a somewhat lengthy list so I apologize in advance.

I guess AnemicOak was asking for some titles you could not download, not all.

10-17-2016, 05:22 PM	#26
Jean Zealot Posts: 109 Karma: 1069296 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Washington State Device: Kindle 1 / Kindle Fire / Kindle Paperwhite / Kobo Libra Colour	The download option is grayed out for those 27 books. 300 books total up till now. I'm not certain why I am allowed to transfer them wirelessly but not download them from manage my kindle. If my device is incompatible it shouldn't matter whether I am wirelessly downloading or downloading them by download cable Last edited by Jean; 10-17-2016 at 05:42 PM.

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10-17-2016, 03:52 PM	#16
Jean Zealot Posts: 109 Karma: 1069296 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Washington State Device: Kindle 1 / Kindle Fire / Kindle Paperwhite / Kobo Libra Colour	Cinisajoy - I can't use manage my kindle on my desktop computer because the option to download to my K1 is greyed out. Next time I am in town I will see If I can use the K1's content manager to download wirelessly an otherwise incompatible book. At the moment I use Kindle for PC for DRM removal.

10-17-2016, 04:03 PM	#17
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 28,577 Karma: 204127028 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	Either way; it's still newsworthy if Amazon has indeed ended the ability to download files for USB transfer to a K1 (given that the K1 is still registered to your account, of course). That would be new. But it still wouldn't be the end of the world as long as ebooks can still be purchased from the K1 (or delivered to the K1 via whispersync). If they can't, then that means the K1 has been officially retired as a supported device. I'm not saying that's impossible, but I find it hard to believe that such a thing would be done quietly.

10-17-2016, 04:19 PM	#18
Jean Zealot Posts: 109 Karma: 1069296 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Washington State Device: Kindle 1 / Kindle Fire / Kindle Paperwhite / Kobo Libra Colour	Well there probably aren't that many people still actually using a K1. With manage my kindle on my desktop the option to download to my desktop for my K1 is greyed out. Later when I am able to get into town I'll see if I can wirelessly transfer a book to my K1. It's not a major issue - I can still use Kindle for PC for DRM removal purposes. If I couldn't then I would be very angry. I just thought I would bring it to peoples attention as something to consider.

10-17-2016, 04:43 PM	#21
Jean Zealot Posts: 109 Karma: 1069296 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Washington State Device: Kindle 1 / Kindle Fire / Kindle Paperwhite / Kobo Libra Colour	That's what I am now doing and it's very easy to do. I had just never bothered doing it that way before since downloading from manage my kindle had been working for me.

10-17-2016, 05:21 PM	#25
Jean Zealot Posts: 109 Karma: 1069296 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Washington State Device: Kindle 1 / Kindle Fire / Kindle Paperwhite / Kobo Libra Colour	I can confirm that downloading a book via Wi-Fi on my Kindle does work. I'm not certain if it has anything to do with the format though because I have 27 books from 2008 alone that don't work using a download cable

10-17-2016, 05:41 PM	#27
Jean Zealot Posts: 109 Karma: 1069296 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Washington State Device: Kindle 1 / Kindle Fire / Kindle Paperwhite / Kobo Libra Colour	I had to go into town because wifi doesn't work at my house. Thats why I preferred to use the download option.

10-18-2016, 03:21 AM	#29
Jean Zealot Posts: 109 Karma: 1069296 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Washington State Device: Kindle 1 / Kindle Fire / Kindle Paperwhite / Kobo Libra Colour	AnemicOak asked for a list of books that will no longer download via USB from manage my kindle to my K1. I didn't want to list all 300, but below is a listing of 10 books per year listed by the year I purchased them. It's a somewhat lengthy list so I apologize in advance. 2016 The Day She Died by Bill Garrison The Forever War by Joe Haldeman Because of Miss Bridgerton by Julia Quinn Enemy by K. Eason War Brides by Helen Bryan Only Beloved by Mary Balogh I Spy a Duke by Erica Monroe The Ocean at the End of the Lane by Neil Gaiman In Times Like These by Nathan van Coops Timebound by Rysa Walker 2015 The Martian by Andy Weir Opening Up by Lauren Dane Dark Horse by Michelle Dienier The Iron King by Julie Kagawa Into Thin Air by John Krakauer Sackett by Louis L’Amour Falling Under by Lauren Dane Before They are Hanged by Joe Abercrombie The Outlander Series by Diana Gabaldon Undeclared by Jen Frederick 2014 The Perfume Collector by Kathleen Tessaro Hexed by Kevin Hearne Redemption Road by Laurie Breton Third Degree by Julie Cross To Say Nothing of the Dog by Connie Willis The House of Many Worlds by Sam Merwin Jr. Running Back by Allison Parr The Normans by Lars Brownworth A Quest of Heroes by Morgan Rice A Dream Defiant by Susanna Fraser 2013 Unguarded by Tracy Wolff Sweet Dreams by Kristen Ashley Skies of Gold by Zoe Archer The Guns of August by Barbara Tuchman In a Heartbeat by Hilary Storm Keeping Kate by Pat Warren The Storm of War by Andrew Roberts All the Right Reasons by Sandy James Lady Luck by Kristen Ashley 11/22/63 by Stephen King 2012 The Emerald Talisman by Brenda Pandos Dreaming of You by Lisa Kleypas The Count of Monte Cristo by Alexandre Dumas Flint by Louis L’Amour Blackstone’s Bride by Bronwyn Williams The Lady Risks All by Stephanie Laurens Already Home by Vicki Lewis Thompson The Wary Widow by Jerrica Knight-Catania Texas Lily by Patricia Rice The Duchess Hunt by Elizabeth Beacon 2011 The Gamekeeper’s Lady by Ann Lethbridge Kiss of Snow by Nalini Singh A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin Kearney’s March by Winston Groom Amber by Night by Sharon Sala Collide by Megan Hart Just One Season in London by Leigh Michaels Germs, Genes and Civilization by David Clark Double Dare by Rhonda Nelson Just Like Heaven by Julia Quinn 2010 A Bridge to Far by Cornelius Ryan Down the Long Hills by Louis L’Amour Songbird by Maya Banks Eyes of Silver, Eyes of Gold by Ellen O’Connell The Strain by Guillermo del Toro The Sergeant’s Lady by Susanna Fraser The Hittite by Ben Bova Marrying the Royal Marine by Carla Kelly Clan of the Cave Bear by Jean Auel His Cavalry Lady by Joanna Maitland 2009 Virgin River by Robyn Carr Red Mars by Kim Stanley Robinson Blood Engines by T. A. Pratt Dancing in the Moonlight by Raeanne Thayne His Majesty’s Dragon by Naomi Novik Finders Keepers by Linea Sinclair Darkfever by Karen Marie Moning Return Engagement by Harry Turtledove Lord of the Rings Trilogy by J.R.R. Tolkein Speed Dating by Nancy Warren 2008 Anything For You by Sarah Mayberry Transfer of Power by Vince Flynn Midnight Rising by Lara Adrian Seize the Night by Sherrilyn Kenyon One Silent Night by Sherrilyn Kenyon In too Deep by Cherry Adair Understood by Maya Banks Shifter by Angela Knight The Lost Duke of Wyndham by Julia Quinn Twilight by Stephanie Meyer

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