Oasis shadow smudges at lower light settings?

[Atunah]

I only notice the color change rarely. I know its there on my Oasis, I don't have it on my Voyage. The only time on my Oasis when I notice is when the light is either turned to bright for the inside dimness I have, or if I am in a place where light is strange. I can't explain it better. I can read in bed with just a side lamp at light 8 and the screen is even, I don't see the color shift or the cones in that situation.
During the day, I have my light at 10 maybe 11 and don't see any shift either. When I am reading inside. Outside I don't see anything but an even screen like all kindles.

So although I know there is a shift, I can see it if I turn the light higher and higher just to test, but in my reading conditions it is not there. I could not read say on 14 or 17 inside. Screen looks like its glowing, which for me defeats the purpose of e-ink.

If someone needed the light that high, I don't think they would be happy with my Oasis. But for me at light up to 11, the shift and the cones are not visible at all.

The contrast of the Oasis and the Voyage is about the same in my case. But my Voyage can be turned up and never does one see any cones or any shift. But I don't use it higher than 11 either.

I do think that the brain can adjust to certain things. Even in conditions when the cones are there a tad bit, when its really dreary out its hard to find just the right setting. After I read for a while, I don't see the cone shadows anymore, or the possible warmer tone on one side.
Thankfully those conditions are rare and just in some light conditions.

[cerem0ny]

Originally Posted by Atunah

I only notice the color change rarely. I know its there on my Oasis, I don't have it on my Voyage. The only time on my Oasis when I notice is when the light is either turned to bright for the inside dimness I have, or if I am in a place where light is strange. I can't explain it better. I can read in bed with just a side lamp at light 8 and the screen is even, I don't see the color shift or the cones in that situation.
During the day, I have my light at 10 maybe 11 and don't see any shift either. When I am reading inside. Outside I don't see anything but an even screen like all kindles.

So although I know there is a shift, I can see it if I turn the light higher and higher just to test, but in my reading conditions it is not there. I could not read say on 14 or 17 inside. Screen looks like its glowing, which for me defeats the purpose of e-ink.

If someone needed the light that high, I don't think they would be happy with my Oasis. But for me at light up to 11, the shift and the cones are not visible at all.

The contrast of the Oasis and the Voyage is about the same in my case. But my Voyage can be turned up and never does one see any cones or any shift. But I don't use it higher than 11 either.

I do think that the brain can adjust to certain things. Even in conditions when the cones are there a tad bit, when its really dreary out its hard to find just the right setting. After I read for a while, I don't see the cone shadows anymore, or the possible warmer tone on one side.
Thankfully those conditions are rare and just in some light conditions.

Lucky you! I basically see the changes and gradients all the time, without exception, which becomes more or less noticeable depending on how much attention I give it. My Voyage had a hue too but after a while it became less distracting. The hue on my Oasis is far worse and more noticeable because it changes across the screen, rather than from top to bottom. I'm wondering if I can learn to love the screen and ignore it with time, but I am going to see what I come up with during an exchange. I exchanged the voyage 2-3 times I believe, ending up with a device with discoloration but less than all the others. Sometimes I feel guilty for exchanging it so many times and/or being picky, but then I wonder if Jeff Bezos feels guilty for selling $450 premium devices with crappy screens and I hand my device over

[webjunk]

Originally Posted by odamizu

Has anyone had the experience where the screen gets more even after you've read for 15-30 minutes? I noticed this with my Voyage and see it again with my Oasis. When I first turn it on, the shadows and color shift are more noticeable. After 15-30 minutes, they are barely noticeable, even when I look for it.

I'm not sure if it's that my eyes adjust and my brain compensates, or if the LEDs and light guide take a little while to "warm up."

Take a picture of the screen. The camera will not lie.

[webjunk]

Originally Posted by disconnected

Kindle screens seem to be amazingly inconsistent, even within the same model, and reviews aren't terribly helpful if everyone is going to get a different screen.

But the screens are consistent once you factor in different people's expectation, whether a "defect" (you will ALWAYS see the lights on a side lit plane) bothers you or not, psycho-optical influences and simply the fovea. Given that you only see an area approx. the size of your thumbnail in focus (fovea) your brain makes up the rest of the picture. IIRC your eyes operate at around 50 frames per second.

[disconnected]

Originally Posted by webjunk

But the screens are consistent once you factor in different people's expectation, whether a "defect" (you will ALWAYS see the lights on a side lit plane) bothers you or not, psycho-optical influences and simply the fovea. Given that you only see an area approx. the size of your thumbnail in focus (fovea) your brain makes up the rest of the picture. IIRC your eyes operate at around 50 frames per second.

Looking at one screen and thinking it isn't good enough might possibly be a case of expecting too much. Looking at two screens side by side and being able to see, describe, and photograph differences between them isn't a matter of "expectation".

[webjunk]

Originally Posted by disconnected

Looking at one screen and thinking it isn't good enough might possibly be a case of expecting too much. Looking at two screens side by side and being able to see, describe, and photograph differences between them isn't a matter of "expectation".

How about looking at one? Lining things up to find differences isn't helpful and only raises expectation in others who haven't a clue if their screen is someone else's version of "normal".
The variability in screens in the real world use is far less of a factor than people think it is.

[disconnected]

Originally Posted by webjunk

How about looking at one? Lining things up to find differences isn't helpful and only raises expectation in others who haven't a clue if their screen is someone else's version of "normal".
The variability in screens in the real world use is far less of a factor than people think it is.

Possible I guess. I don't think I'm especially picky, observant, or influenced by anyone else's opinions. The overall blotchiness of my PW1 never bothered me although I could certainly see it. My Kobo Aura isn't perfect (there's a narrow line of light running all the way across the top of the screen) but that doesn't bother me either. My Kobo Aura H2O, Kobo Glo HD, and my two Nooks all look perfectly fine to me.

When I noticed the two-toned effect of my Voyage screen (almost immediately) I very mistakenly thought I'd have no trouble getting used to it so I didn't return it. That experience probably made me look at the Oasis screen much more carefully though. Fortunately for me its small imperfections (faint smudgy areas along the side in some lighting conditions, comparatively slight color shift, text not as black as that on the Voyage) don't bother me at all.

The battery arrangement is taking a bit of adjustment on my part (mostly due to my habit of buying multiple cases for all my devices ) but I'm very attached to the Oasis already.

[NullNix]

Originally Posted by disconnected

The battery arrangement is taking a bit of adjustment on my part (mostly due to my habit of buying multiple cases for all my devices ) but I'm very attached to the Oasis already.

Hey, you're supposed to plug it into the case. Using biological power sources will probably invalidate the warranty.

[kobayashi]

Originally Posted by cerem0ny

Lucky you! I basically see the changes and gradients all the time, without exception, which becomes more or less noticeable depending on how much attention I give it. My Voyage had a hue too but after a while it became less distracting. The hue on my Oasis is far worse and more noticeable because it changes across the screen, rather than from top to bottom. I'm wondering if I can learn to love the screen and ignore it with time, but I am going to see what I come up with during an exchange. I exchanged the voyage 2-3 times I believe, ending up with a device with discoloration but less than all the others. Sometimes I feel guilty for exchanging it so many times and/or being picky, but then I wonder if Jeff Bezos feels guilty for selling $450 premium devices with crappy screens and I hand my device over

+1 The color gradient is more distracting on the Oasis because it goes warm/cold on every line of text.

[Wearever]

Another thing about the Oasis that hasn't been talked about here yet, is how do the covers hold up in outdoor environments ? This got me thinking when I mentioned this in another thread, about not seeing Oasis devices on beaches this weekend during the heatwave busy Memorial Day weekend. I did see lots of other e ink readers though. Amazon does use woman sitting on the beach in it's Oasis ad. So maybe folks are bringing other e inks instead of their premium Oasis. Not just for the price, but maybe more to do with, not taking a chance with the device, sun screen will add to the slipperiness and it could be almost impossible to hold on to the Oasis. Also the premium covers, they may not look as nice with with bug spray ( Camping ) on your hands or sun screen. I would think that they could leave residue or prints on the covers that can't be cleaned off. With all other e ink devices you could get a cheaper cover to replace it. I don't know, but maybe that's why I have not seen an Oasis. Maybe they are being pampered more by owners, just bringing them out when they can use them at work or home, outside on the deck or vacation balcony while able to safely put them back in the cover , before they head out into messier environments ? I don't know has anyone used them camping or at the beach yet ? Or would you rather take something else to read on instead ?

[Yolina]

Originally Posted by disconnected

I think some evil genius at Amazon must have perfected a formula to maximize profit by balancing allowable tolerance in manufacture against predicted tolerance by customers.

It certainly looks like it.There's a difference in what I'd tolerate on, say, the basic Kindle at £60 and on the Oasis at £270 though...

Originally Posted by cerem0ny

but then I wonder if Jeff Bezos feels guilty for selling $450 premium devices with crappy screens

Obviously not The screen lottery has existed since the PW1, I won't believe for one second that he's not aware of it.

[disconnected]

Originally Posted by NullNix

Hey, you're supposed to plug it into the case. Using biological power sources will probably invalidate the warranty.

Hmm. Maybe that explains the unauthorized cover error message.

[webjunk]

Originally Posted by disconnected

Possible I guess. I don't think I'm especially picky, observant, or influenced by anyone else's opinions. The overall blotchiness of my PW1 never bothered me although I could certainly see it. My Kobo Aura isn't perfect (there's a narrow line of light running all the way across the top of the screen) but that doesn't bother me either. My Kobo Aura H2O, Kobo Glo HD, and my two Nooks all look perfectly fine to me.

When I noticed the two-toned effect of my Voyage screen (almost immediately) I very mistakenly thought I'd have no trouble getting used to it so I didn't return it. That experience probably made me look at the Oasis screen much more carefully though. Fortunately for me its small imperfections (faint smudgy areas along the side in some lighting conditions, comparatively slight color shift, text not as black as that on the Voyage) don't bother me at all.

The battery arrangement is taking a bit of adjustment on my part (mostly due to my habit of buying multiple cases for all my devices ) but I'm very attached to the Oasis already.

My PW's were blotchy I cleaned the screens thoroughly and the blotchiness disappeared. The Voyage, by reports, did have colour differences across the screen. The contrast differs between devices too - just as it does with paper books so I've never noticed.

I like the Oasis, a lot. Its difference is what I really like.