Best Practice - Page 2

tamhas · 04-20-2016, 06:20 PM

On the second one, the status field I have already provides the grouping and it will update from Calibre with the next sync, so I guess I have that covered.

On the K4A issue, I guess I am confused because I thought the earlier discussion was pointing in the direction that I could download Amazon format and then read them with K4A without having to do a separate download. The issue is trying to read a bit in a doctor's office or something where there may not be a good wireless signal.

But, just to make me completely confused, after I did the delete of all files and delete without files and then a fresh download from Calibre, if I go to /storage/emulated/0/Calibre_Companion ... it says No Files. But, when I did the download, it was set to the default folders.

More tomorrow, I guess. It is wine time here ...

tamhas · 04-22-2016, 12:30 PM

Tomorrow and tomorrow. I guess I am left with two questions.

One is why, since doing the fresh download, File Manager shows no files for Calibre Companion? Does this have something to do with them being AZW? How would I delete them if I now wanted to switch to epub?

The other is whether or not there is any way to download Kindle files with CC and read them with K4A? If not, then I might as well download epub* and use a different reader. In practice, this will probably mean that I use K4A when I have an internet connection since I can then download a book and sync to location, but when I don't have an internet connection, I just won't use the phone for reading since there won't be any sync to location. I don't see me ever reading whole books on the phone, just a fragment of my current Kindle book while in a waiting room or whatever.

* I have deDRMed epubs of everything because my wife reads on an Android tablet so I convert everything we get into both formats.

tamhas · 05-08-2016, 03:46 PM

Other things caused me to set this aside for while, but I got back to it today and now I really am confused. As noted in the 4/22, I deleted everything and then did a fresh download of most of the books. They showed up with all particulars in CC, but not in the file manager. I was thinking about downloading epub instead, so I tried the Delete All with Missing Book option and everything disappeared from CC. Then, it occurred to me that maybe this was OK ... I could download any book with K4A that I wanted to read and it didn't matter if there was no actual book downloaded (yes, I know that you said that was impossible, but that's what things looked like on my device).

So, I did a fresh download of everything with formats set to azw* and mobi. At the end of the download, file manager showed the CC directory full of files, but CC showed no books! I tried various things connecting and disconnecting and such hoping that it would notice all the books, but to no avail.

So, back to the plan about using a different format and possibly a different reader. I deleted all the files in the CC directory and then changed the format to epub and did a fresh download. Again, files in file manager and no books. Then I noticed that there was a search displayed at the top. I deleted that, and all the books appeared! I guess that even though the search criteria would have found books done fresh on the new set, that it was still pointing at prior books or some such.

So, now the only problem is connecting the downloaded books to FBReader (which I installed simply because it is what my wife uses on her Android tablet). It seems to point to /storage/emulated/0/books. FBReader won't navigate to /storage/emulated/0/Calibre_Companion (says permission denied when I get to emulated). But, CC seems to know about FBR since it will now open the books ... yes?

So, no need to delete all the books again and change the download location to books and redownload?

chaley · 05-08-2016, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tamhas

Other things caused me to set this aside for while, but I got back to it today and now I really am confused. As noted in the 4/22, I deleted everything and then did a fresh download of most of the books. They showed up with all particulars in CC, but not in the file manager. I was thinking about downloading epub instead, so I tried the Delete All with Missing Book option and everything disappeared from CC. Then, it occurred to me that maybe this was OK ... I could download any book with K4A that I wanted to read and it didn't matter if there was no actual book downloaded (yes, I know that you said that was impossible, but that's what things looked like on my device).

I have no idea what is happening here. As far as I know, if you download a book using CC then that book file is stored somewhere. How it could be "nowhere" is beyond comprehension.

The only answers are:

CC failed to download the book but didn't notice the failure.
Some other app deleted (moved?) the book file.
The book was downloaded by something other than CC.

I don't know which of these is true.

Quote:

So, I did a fresh download of everything with formats set to azw* and mobi. At the end of the download, file manager showed the CC directory full of files, but CC showed no books! I tried various things connecting and disconnecting and such hoping that it would notice all the books, but to no avail.

What did you use to download the books?

As above, it is extremely difficult to see how CC thinks it downloads a book file, actually succeeds in downloading that book file, then fails to enter that book into its own database. This is assuming of course that you haven't told CC to ignore books (see below).

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So, back to the plan about using a different format and possibly a different reader. I deleted all the files in the CC directory and then changed the format to epub and did a fresh download. Again, files in file manager and no books. Then I noticed that there was a search displayed at the top. I deleted that, and all the books appeared! I guess that even though the search criteria would have found books done fresh on the new set, that it was still pointing at prior books or some such.

There might be an interesting case here. CC might not regenerate a search when new books appear. I will look at that.

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So, now the only problem is connecting the downloaded books to FBReader (which I installed simply because it is what my wife uses on her Android tablet). It seems to point to /storage/emulated/0/books. FBReader won't navigate to /storage/emulated/0/Calibre_Companion (says permission denied when I get to emulated). But, CC seems to know about FBR since it will now open the books ... yes?

So, no need to delete all the books again and change the download location to books and redownload?

I can't speak for what FBReader does.

I am going away for most of the week and will be away from keyboard. I hope other CC users can help work out what is happening.

stumped · 05-09-2016, 05:20 AM

I removed kindle for android from my Lenovo tablet when I realised that there is no way to block their 1-touch tap-in-the-wrong-place-and-you've-bought-it feature.

Every kindle book opened displays a big banner wanting you to tap and pay for the linked audiobook & it's way too dangerous to have enabled, if you have clumsy fingers like me!

so I read only epub conversions on that tablet now.

On an actual Kindle or Fire device, you can password protect all purchases, but not on other android. Once you are the in K4A app you are in 1-click territory, the only safeguard would be aeroplane mode, & then the app would probably not launch ?

tamhas · 05-09-2016, 10:09 AM

I suspect it is the search which explains no apparent books when there are a bunch of files. It must just not be regenerating the results over the delete and reload cycle.

In all cases where there were books showing in file manager and I needed to delete them, I used file manager to do the delete. When necessary, this was followed by delete all books in CC that don't have files. In all cases, CC was used for the download over a wireless connection to the Calibre on my desktop.

I seem to have a working and maintainable arrangement now, so this report is mostly just to alert you to some behaviors which you may not know about.

theducks · 05-09-2016, 10:41 AM

If you are using the wireless device connection, you can use Calibre to delete DEVICE books (2 place-ways).

In Device view. select: Del

In Library view (the usual, main view) Right-click: remove books: .. FROM DEVICE <at the bottom>

The advantages over using the file manager/book viewer: Simple

AND CC is fully in sync

chaley · 05-13-2016, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tamhas

I suspect it is the search which explains no apparent books when there are a bunch of files. It must just not be regenerating the results over the delete and reload cycle.

This is true.

There isn't a problem when books are deleted. CC checks for that.

However, the search isn't rerun after books are added. I am not sure what the right thing to do is, but it is probably something like redo an active search when a connection is "disconnected".

Deleting then re-adding the same book creates a "new" book in CC.

tamhas · 05-13-2016, 10:18 AM

Given that what I was doing was highly unusual, the issue is probably an edge case. If anything, it might be that certain conditions should clear a pre-existing search because of the likelihood of it producing misleading results.

Thanks again for a great product and great support!

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04-20-2016, 06:20 PM	#16
tamhas Zealot Posts: 140 Karma: 1000 Join Date: Feb 2011 Device: Kindle Paperwhite	On the second one, the status field I have already provides the grouping and it will update from Calibre with the next sync, so I guess I have that covered. On the K4A issue, I guess I am confused because I thought the earlier discussion was pointing in the direction that I could download Amazon format and then read them with K4A without having to do a separate download. The issue is trying to read a bit in a doctor's office or something where there may not be a good wireless signal. But, just to make me completely confused, after I did the delete of all files and delete without files and then a fresh download from Calibre, if I go to /storage/emulated/0/Calibre_Companion ... it says No Files. But, when I did the download, it was set to the default folders. More tomorrow, I guess. It is wine time here ...

04-22-2016, 12:30 PM	#17
tamhas Zealot Posts: 140 Karma: 1000 Join Date: Feb 2011 Device: Kindle Paperwhite	Tomorrow and tomorrow. I guess I am left with two questions. One is why, since doing the fresh download, File Manager shows no files for Calibre Companion? Does this have something to do with them being AZW? How would I delete them if I now wanted to switch to epub? The other is whether or not there is any way to download Kindle files with CC and read them with K4A? If not, then I might as well download epub* and use a different reader. In practice, this will probably mean that I use K4A when I have an internet connection since I can then download a book and sync to location, but when I don't have an internet connection, I just won't use the phone for reading since there won't be any sync to location. I don't see me ever reading whole books on the phone, just a fragment of my current Kindle book while in a waiting room or whatever. * I have deDRMed epubs of everything because my wife reads on an Android tablet so I convert everything we get into both formats.

05-08-2016, 03:46 PM	#18
tamhas Zealot Posts: 140 Karma: 1000 Join Date: Feb 2011 Device: Kindle Paperwhite	Other things caused me to set this aside for while, but I got back to it today and now I really am confused. As noted in the 4/22, I deleted everything and then did a fresh download of most of the books. They showed up with all particulars in CC, but not in the file manager. I was thinking about downloading epub instead, so I tried the Delete All with Missing Book option and everything disappeared from CC. Then, it occurred to me that maybe this was OK ... I could download any book with K4A that I wanted to read and it didn't matter if there was no actual book downloaded (yes, I know that you said that was impossible, but that's what things looked like on my device). So, I did a fresh download of everything with formats set to azw* and mobi. At the end of the download, file manager showed the CC directory full of files, but CC showed no books! I tried various things connecting and disconnecting and such hoping that it would notice all the books, but to no avail. So, back to the plan about using a different format and possibly a different reader. I deleted all the files in the CC directory and then changed the format to epub and did a fresh download. Again, files in file manager and no books. Then I noticed that there was a search displayed at the top. I deleted that, and all the books appeared! I guess that even though the search criteria would have found books done fresh on the new set, that it was still pointing at prior books or some such. So, now the only problem is connecting the downloaded books to FBReader (which I installed simply because it is what my wife uses on her Android tablet). It seems to point to /storage/emulated/0/books. FBReader won't navigate to /storage/emulated/0/Calibre_Companion (says permission denied when I get to emulated). But, CC seems to know about FBR since it will now open the books ... yes? So, no need to delete all the books again and change the download location to books and redownload?

05-09-2016, 05:20 AM	#20
stumped Wizard Posts: 3,305 Karma: 10259306 Join Date: May 2016 Device: kobo forma, Kobo Libra, Huawei media Tab, fire HD10, PW3 HDX8.9,	I removed kindle for android from my Lenovo tablet when I realised that there is no way to block their 1-touch tap-in-the-wrong-place-and-you've-bought-it feature. Every kindle book opened displays a big banner wanting you to tap and pay for the linked audiobook & it's way too dangerous to have enabled, if you have clumsy fingers like me! so I read only epub conversions on that tablet now. On an actual Kindle or Fire device, you can password protect all purchases, but not on other android. Once you are the in K4A app you are in 1-click territory, the only safeguard would be aeroplane mode, & then the app would probably not launch ?

05-09-2016, 10:09 AM	#21
tamhas Zealot Posts: 140 Karma: 1000 Join Date: Feb 2011 Device: Kindle Paperwhite	I suspect it is the search which explains no apparent books when there are a bunch of files. It must just not be regenerating the results over the delete and reload cycle. In all cases where there were books showing in file manager and I needed to delete them, I used file manager to do the delete. When necessary, this was followed by delete all books in CC that don't have files. In all cases, CC was used for the download over a wireless connection to the Calibre on my desktop. I seem to have a working and maintainable arrangement now, so this report is mostly just to alert you to some behaviors which you may not know about.

05-09-2016, 10:41 AM	#22
theducks Well trained by Cats Posts: 31,078 Karma: 60358908 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Central Coast of California Device: Kobo Libra2,Kobo Aura2v1, K4NT(Fixed: New Bat.), Galaxy Tab A	If you are using the wireless device connection, you can use Calibre to delete DEVICE books (2 place-ways). In Device view. select: Del In Library view (the usual, main view) Right-click: remove books: .. FROM DEVICE <at the bottom> The advantages over using the file manager/book viewer: Simple AND CC is fully in sync

05-13-2016, 10:18 AM	#24
tamhas Zealot Posts: 140 Karma: 1000 Join Date: Feb 2011 Device: Kindle Paperwhite	Given that what I was doing was highly unusual, the issue is probably an edge case. If anything, it might be that certain conditions should clear a pre-existing search because of the likelihood of it producing misleading results. Thanks again for a great product and great support!

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