email epub to Kindle?

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by AlanHK

I had moderated my '"impoliteness" before you made your threat.
Neverthelesss, your original post served no purpose other than to insult me.

Why on Earth are you insulted by the fact that your tests have produced the same results that they've produced for other people? You can sideload a pure KF8 file, but you can't email it. Dual Mobi is the best format to use for email, because it will result either KF8 or MOBI7 being downloaded to the actual device or application, depending on its capabilities.

[Cinisajoy]

His original post was to point out what you did wouldn't work so others reading this thread might not make the same mistake. In no way did HarryT insult you.

[AlanHK]

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

His original post was to point out what you did wouldn't work so others reading this thread might not make the same mistake. In no way did HarryT insult you.

Since I had posted to say THAT IT DIDN'T WORK, what information do he add? Only his opinion that I was wasting my time.

Was my post not clear? What needed to be "pointed out" that I hadn't already said?

[issybird]

Originally Posted by AlanHK

Since I had posted to say THAT IT DIDN'T WORK, what information do he add? Only his opinion that I was wasting my time.

Was my post not clear? What needed to be "pointed out" that I hadn't already said?

You have no control over how people respond to your posts; that's a basic function of forum interaction. Everyone, however, is required to be polite. You are strongly advised to let this go, especially as you seem unable to control your tone.

[eschwartz]

Originally Posted by AlanHK

So I tried sending several different formats:

epub:
Immediate email response:
"The following document, sent at 03:20 AM on Fri, Dec 18, 2015 GMT could not be delivered to the Kindle you specified: * XXX.epub"

So I used the Kindle Previewer to convert the epub, then split it into an azw3 and a mobi using KindleUnpack. I was hoping that I could just send the kf8 format, since the formatting in the kf7 version was a bit off

But XXX.azw3 or the same file renamed as XXX.mobi also were rejected. I don't know if the latter would have been delivered if my friend had a newer Kindle.
The omnibus XXX.mobi containing both formats worked. I'm pretty sure the dumbed down kf7 mobi would also work.

So, no backdoor conversions via email then.

No impoliteness, just saying it is sometimes easier and saves time to ask whether other people have performed the same experiments.
You aren't exactly the first person to have wanted to send AZW3.

MR members have discovered through trial and error that dual-MOBI works and unlocks AZW3 on supported devices (while sending the legacy MOBI to devices that do not support AZW3).
MOBI also works, as Amazon documents.

AZW3 will not work, I am guessing because Amazon doesn't want you to end up with a book that doesn't support older devices. This is also why you can upload old-MOBI or dual-MOBI to KDP, but not AZW3.
(At least, I have heard that uploading old MOBI still works, but I don't know why anyone would want to...)

...

Renaming *.azw3 to *.mobi does not change the actual contents of the file, so it won't work. Any more than Amazon will accept corrupted files that have the *.mobi extension.
Because as far as MOBI is concerned, AZW3 is not MOBI, so it must be corrupted somehow.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by eschwartz

AZW3 will not work, I am guessing because Amazon doesn't want you to end up with a book that doesn't support older devices.

I suspect it's more down to the fact that there's no official Kindle books creation tool that creates pure KF8. Mobipocket Creator and older versions of Kindlegen create MOBI7; more recent versions of Kindlegen create dual Mobi.

[Cinisajoy]

As to the posts, I appreciate HarryT coming in and confirming.
One person saying they had trouble sending something, ok which end did it originate from.
It could have been the person hadn't approved you yet.
It could have been anything in the email.
It could have been kindle just didn't like that attachment.
So HarryT saying why it didn't work can and will save others some time.

[AlanHK]

Originally Posted by eschwartz

No impoliteness, just saying it is sometimes easier and saves time to ask whether other people have performed the same experiments. :

Which is exactly what I did in my first post.

Getting no response other than a link to an Amazon document I had already read, I made some files and tested them. I've learned not to take anything that Amazon says on faith.
Sorry if that offends anyone.

[Cinisajoy]

Originally Posted by AlanHK

Which is exactly what I did in my first post.

Getting no response other than a link to an Amazon document I had already read, I made some files and tested them. I've learned not to take anything that Amazon says on faith.
Sorry if that offends anyone.

Were you on an Amazon help page or their forum?
The first is usually good.
The second is Amazon customers not Amazon support.

I haven't seen anyone offended by Amazon in this thread.

[barryem]

Originally Posted by AlanHK

I had moderated my '"impoliteness" before you made your threat.
Neverthelesss, your original post served no purpose other than to insult me.

The thing is we all have questions from time to time that others have an answer to. There are a lot of helpful people in this group and you just got help. That doesn't make you idiotic and it doesn't make the person trying to help you obnoxious.

You didn't know something so you experimented and that's a good thing. Someone saw what you were trying to do and did know that something and offered help; another good thing.

Up till that point everything was going well. Then you began belittling the person trying to help you. Maybe he over-reacted a bit but certainly not to the extent that you over-reacted to his help. Then you say you'd already tempered your reaction but you hadn't said anything yet. Maybe you would have but now we'll never know.

It seems to me that if you're a person of good will, and I hope you are or you're probably gonna flame me for this post, you'll simply apologize for starting this mishmosh in what is usually a pretty friendly group and drop the argument and go from there.

Barry

[eschwartz]

Originally Posted by AlanHK

Which is exactly what I did in my first post.

Getting no response other than a link to an Amazon document I had already read, I made some files and tested them. I've learned not to take anything that Amazon says on faith.

And in my first post to this thread (post #6) I explicitly said Amazon does not accept EPUB and as a result people using calibre's email feature should mark their @kindle.com email address as accepting only MOBI.
Later on in post #11 you made an EPUB and tested it. Your idle time is your own to spend. And I can't fault anyone for wanting to see something with their own eyes, I often do the same.

Apologies for not being more clear about the state of AZW3.

Sorry if that offends anyone.

Please tone it down.
No one here has expressed any sort of offended feelings, except for you.

Although a lot of people seem to think your reaction does not mesh well with the posting guidelines re: rudeness.

I don't know why you seem to feel that there is any need for offense to be taken, by anyone. I don't see anything even remotely objectionable with HarryT's post -- he simply told you that other people here have done the same experiments, and gotten the same results.

[cc_in_oh]

I get why Amazon doesn't want to compete with epubs that might go on sale below Kindle prices. But I don't see what they have to lose by allowing their CONVERT routine to work with DRM-less epubs such as Gutenberg books? I realize Calibre can convert those, but my results with that have been hit or miss...

[eschwartz]

I don't know, but really it isn't difficult to convert them yourself with calibre, or if you really want the official Amazon experience, KindleGen.

[Cinisajoy]

Originally Posted by cc_in_oh

I get why Amazon doesn't want to compete with epubs that might go on sale below Kindle prices. But I don't see what they have to lose by allowing their CONVERT routine to work with DRM-less epubs such as Gutenberg books? I realize Calibre can convert those, but my results with that have been hit or miss...

Why don't you just get the mobi at Project Gutenberg?
Most of the books there have various formats.
Or if you have an Amazon account, just search for the titles there. They have over 1 million public domain books.
Or let me link you to a fabulous library just for your kindle.
https://www.mobileread.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=128
The uploaders take great pride in their work there.