The End of Flash?

[eschwartz]

That's good news, I suppose.
Although you could always tell when flash was active, because of the urlbar icon. (Sometimes it was active when there was nothing obvious on the page, which told you someone had a flash advertisement. )

[ShellShock]

I had to install Flash earlier this year so I could watch the UK TV Channel 4 on demand service (4od).

[GERGE]

I pay for Crunchyroll and Funimation. Both use flash videos.

[Teknikal]

Personally I take the opposite view I think HTML5 is bloated and performs worse than flash it also can't accomplish as much. It also annoys me a lot my old gingerbread phones worked great with flash and my new ones can't even view it.

Another thing to bear in mind is I've recently noticed Virgins catchup service in the UK (and I'm sure others) insist on genuine flash and refuse to work with even chromes "pepper flash" substitute.

[eschwartz]

Originally Posted by Teknikal

Personally I take the opposite view I think HTML5 is bloated and performs worse than flash it also can't accomplish as much.

I haven't noticed flash ever outperforming HTML5, and besides, it is already more bloated than HTML5 will ever be.

The good news is that HTML5 is a standard, so anyone who wants can create their own, better version. Competition is good, it's why we have standards for the web.

It also annoys me a lot my old gingerbread phones worked great with flash and my new ones can't even view it.

It annoys you that they removed support for flash, and therefore flash doesn't work? That isn't a flaw in HTML5, it has nothing to do with HTML5.

Another thing to bear in mind is I've recently noticed Virgins catchup service in the UK (and I'm sure others) insist on genuine flash and refuse to work with even chromes "pepper flash" substitute.

Well, too bad they don't use HTML5, then, which everyone could use.

Poor Google, their official version of flash doesn't work like *real* flash?

[Teknikal]

Originally Posted by eschwartz

I haven't noticed flash ever outperforming HTML5, and besides, it is already more bloated than HTML5 will ever be.

The good news is that HTML5 is a standard, so anyone who wants can create their own, better version. Competition is good, it's why we have standards for the web.



It annoys you that they removed support for flash, and therefore flash doesn't work? That isn't a flaw in HTML5, it has nothing to do with HTML5.



Well, too bad they don't use HTML5, then, which everyone could use.

Poor Google, their official version of flash doesn't work like *real* flash?

They use Flash because it's actually securable as do other TV providers in the UK and other parts of the world and as long as they do Flash isn't going away.

http://anywhere.virginmedia.com/unsu...wser/warning//

Yes the removal annoys me because it worked perfectly and now I have to resort to Puffin browser to actually see the web properly.

Also yes in fact chrome does not have the real Adobe flash they run their own sandboxed plugin called Pepper Flash which is useless on the sites with secured content like Virgins.

[DiapDealer]

Flash! Ah-ahh!
King of the impossible!

[eschwartz]

Originally Posted by Teknikal

They use Flash because it's actually securable as do other TV providers in the UK and other parts of the world and as long as they do Flash isn't going away.

http://anywhere.virginmedia.com/unsu...wser/warning//

Yes the removal annoys me because it worked perfectly and now I have to resort to Puffin browser to actually see the web properly.

Also yes in fact chrome does not have the real Adobe flash they run their own sandboxed plugin called Pepper Flash which is useless on the sites with secured content like Virgins.

I am well aware Google makes their own version of flash -- I was simply unaware that they failed to be compatible with actual flash in the process.

But then, I've never used pepper flash, since that would require installing Chrome.
Closed-source applications are a PITA to integrate with package managers, even if I liked the browser, which I don't.



As for the security -- flash has been hacked.
Maybe they should hire better programmers. Maybe they can rent them from Netflix.

[Sweetpea]

Originally Posted by Teknikal

They use Flash because it's actually securable as do other TV providers in the UK and other parts of the world and as long as they do Flash isn't going away.

I really wonder how Netflix does it then... As far as I know, they also have secure video (they used Silverlight instead of Flash) and they offer a HTML5 video player...

[Teknikal]

Originally Posted by Sweetpea

I really wonder how Netflix does it then... As far as I know, they also have secure video (they used Silverlight instead of Flash) and they offer a HTML5 video player...

Silverlight is worse than flash because it's basically Microsoft's copy of flash which has such low adoption last I heard they resorted to have actually paid some companies to use it.

Personally when I come across a site asking for it I close the window and find another site.

[eschwartz]

What does that have to do with your claim that Flash is more secure than HTML5? As I said, if they can't secure HTML5, maybe they should hire some of Netflix's programmers to write them a secure HTML5 service.

[Teknikal]

Originally Posted by eschwartz

What does that have to do with your claim that Flash is more secure than HTML5? As I said, if they can't secure HTML5, maybe they should hire some of Netflix's programmers to write them a secure HTML5 service.

Point is simply it's not a flash replacement it lacks too much, getting rid of flash is the same as putting the internet back 10 years.

[Sweetpea]

Originally Posted by Teknikal

Point is simply it's not a flash replacement it lacks too much, getting rid of flash is the same as putting the internet back 10 years.

No, HTML5 offers all (or has the potential to offer all) that Flash offers. And more. And lighter. And is available on all devices that offer a browser. So, I don't agree that it puts the internet back 10 years. In fact, 10 years ago, there were plenty of sites I couldn't access with my PDA because it didn't have flash. And there are hardly no sites now that I can't access with my phone/tablets because they don't use flash.

[Teknikal]

Originally Posted by Sweetpea

No, HTML5 offers all (or has the potential to offer all) that Flash offers. And more. And lighter. And is available on all devices that offer a browser. So, I don't agree that it puts the internet back 10 years. In fact, 10 years ago, there were plenty of sites I couldn't access with my PDA because it didn't have flash. And there are hardly no sites now that I can't access with my phone/tablets because they don't use flash.

Won't replace it, not even all browsers support the same HTML5 tags it's a step backwards and for developers there is just no way of predicting the user experience.

Flash is standalone it will look and perform the same on all browsers and all systems, you know 99.9% of systems will support it.

HTML5 is a stupid idea that was hailed as the future by Apple simply because they wanted to save money with inadequate hardware, instead we have gotten bloated slow browsers and web pages tripling in size because of it.

Microsoft also know HTML5 is going nowhere and that's why they made silverlight.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by Sweetpea

No, HTML5 offers all (or has the potential to offer all) that Flash offers. And more. And lighter. And is available on all devices that offer a browser. So, I don't agree that it puts the internet back 10 years. In fact, 10 years ago, there were plenty of sites I couldn't access with my PDA because it didn't have flash. And there are hardly no sites now that I can't access with my phone/tablets because they don't use flash.

Precisely. It used to be the case that there were a lot of sites that I couldn't use with the Safari browser on my iPad, because it didn't support Flash. Now such sites are few and far between. It's far better to have a website that uses only web standards, rather than requiring a proprietary plug-in that's not available to all operating systems.