Interface language

[tshering]

Maybe I should have mentioned this earlier. All the data blocks concerned with the translation strings start with the sequence 3CB86418CAEF (allready decompressed). Therefore you need only read the first 6 byte to decide whether to continue decompressing this stream or skip to the next stream.

[tshering]

Originally Posted by surquizu

AxaRu,

I do not understand anything (I am not computer programmer), but I'm very interested in how to translate the interface. I want my aura H2O in catalan

I will be grateful if reports its progress and if you get it, help to me.

thanks

Hi surquizu,
I got interested in this project. If you like we can start with a small test. Important points are:

• One has to sacrifice one of the supported languages for the new one.
• The length of the translation must not be longer than the original expression.
• There is no guarantee that one can apply the same patch to future firmwares.

I guess for Catalan it would be best to sacrifice Spanish. One reason is that Spanish seems to have rather long expressions. And I think that, as long as not all strings are translated, a mixture of Catalan and Spanish is more convenient as a mixture of Catalan and English or German and so on. If however you think it is better to sacrifice another language, please tell me.

I prepared a file with the Spanish strings. Each line has the following format:

function_identifier{ref}reference_string{tr}spanish_expression

In order to provide the Catalan translation, one would have to replace spanish_expression by the Catalan translation. For testing purposes, it would be nice if you could provide some sample translations of the main menus or anything that is easy to check (that excludes for instance achievments). If we decide to continue after this test, I will try to provide some tool that helps inputting the translation.

I did a mini test myself. I simply reversed some strings of the German interface (for instance Extras > Sartxe). I attach the image and the patch file as an example.

[surquizu]

Hi tshering,

So Perfect! I will collaborate on the project. It is very important to me if i can to use my language.

I would rather sacrifice another language (Italian for example) so i have in the reader the spanish and the catalan (the two languages in use in Spain), but it is true that it is better to mix with Spanish if there are parts that can not be translated.

I will locate the texts of main menu and translate without increasing the original length.

Thanks

Thanks

[surquizu]

Hi Tshering,

For testing purposes, it would be nice if you could provide some sample translations of the main menus or anything that is easy to check (that excludes for instance achievments).

Attached file with some sample translations.

The length of the translation must not be longer than the original expression.

The limit of the characters is for the total of the translations or for each text string? There are some word in catalan without short translation in Spanish.

If we decide to continue after this test, I will try to provide some tool that helps inputting the translation.

I use microsoft excel for count the characters of each text string. Its easy.

[tshering]

Originally Posted by surquizu

Attached file with some sample translations.

Thank you!

Originally Posted by surquizu

The limit of the characters is for the total of the translations or for each text string? There are some word in catalan without short translation in Spanish.

The limit is for each text string. I am not sure whether we can increase the number of characters. I will try a little at the weekend. But I do not have much hope. In some cases you might find other ways. For instance: <p>Pàgina %1 <span style='font-style:italic'>de</span>%2</p>. There you are sacrificing a space after "de". Other possibilities: abbreviate "Pàgina", or you could dispense with the italic style of "de", or maybe shift the style into <p>, so that the whole string is in italics.

Originally Posted by surquizu

I use microsoft excel for count the characters of each text string. Its easy.

If this is easy to do, even better.

To try the current result, please use the Bad Eyes package for 3.13.1. Copy nickel_3131_369E5C.translation_es_ct.zlib into the folder 3.13.1_source. In the package, there is also the patch file nickel.txt. It contains only one patch job "<patch>name=overwrite es with ca ... </patch>". You can replace your nickel.txt by the new one (and lose all your other patch jobs), or copy the new patch job to your nickel.txt.

[surquizu]

Originally Posted by tshering

Thank you!

The limit is for each text string. I am not sure whether we can increase the number of characters. I will try a little at the weekend. But I do not have much hope. In some cases you might find other ways. For instance: <p>Pàgina %1 <span style='font-style:italic'>de</span>%2</p>. There you are sacrificing a space after "de". Other possibilities: abbreviate "Pàgina", or you could dispense with the italic style of "de", or maybe shift the style into <p>, so that the whole string is in italics.

I have the problem mainly in three important words of the interface. Is not possible abbreviate:

Books
spanish: Libros
catalan: Llibres

Read
spanish: Leído
catalan: Llegit

Collection
spanish: Colección
catalan: Col·lecció

To try the current result, please use the Bad Eyes package for 3.13.1. Copy nickel_3131_369E5C.translation_es_ct.zlib into the folder 3.13.1_source. In the package, there is also the patch file nickel.txt. It contains only one patch job "<patch>name=overwrite es with ca ... </patch>". You can replace your nickel.txt by the new one (and lose all your other patch jobs), or copy the new patch job to your nickel.txt.

Thanks, I will try it on my house later.

[tshering]

Originally Posted by surquizu

I have the problem mainly in three important words of the interface.

This is a real problem. In none of the supported languages has the word for books more than six characters.

[surquizu]

I think the test has worked! :-)

What is the next step?

This is a real problem. In none of the supported languages has the word for books more than six characters.

if you can not add more characters, I'll write "eBooks".

[tshering]

Originally Posted by surquizu

I think the test has worked! :-)

What is the next step?




if you can not add more characters, I'll write "eBooks".

I feel I cannot add more characters!

So the problem of the character limit does not stop you from continuing? With regard to character limitation, it would be better to overwrite the German translation strings (at least this suggest the lists of average word length of different languages that I consulted on the web). But as long as not a real large part is translated into Catalan, the mixture of Catalan and German might not please you. Therefore, we might continue to patch the Spanish translation strings, and you note down those cases that create problems. At the last stage, when you have translated the most part, you can apply the patch to the German translation strings and see how many problems can be solved that way.

For now I would propose you continue translating the list and when you like you post it and I will create the nickel_XXXX_XXXXXX.translation_es_ct.zlib file (this file will have to be created for each new firmware). I will try to provide a tool that helps you creating this file by yourself, but I am not yet ready to do it.

[surquizu]

Perfect. I'll keep translating the text strings (they are 1950). I'll do with inmaginación. :-)

[tshering]

Originally Posted by surquizu

I'll do with inmaginación. :-)

This is the best way!

Originally Posted by surquizu

Perfect. I'll keep translating the text strings (they are 1950).

If you have finished those, I can provide some more strings. Until now, I have only extracted those shorter than 300 bytes.

Seriously, I would propose you post your translations in regular intervals. So that we see immediately, if there are any problems. It would be sad if you finish the whole translation and it turns out that it does not work.

[surquizu]

Originally Posted by tshering

This is the best way!

If you have finished those, I can provide some more strings. Until now, I have only extracted those shorter than 300 bytes.

Seriously, I would propose you post your translations in regular intervals. So that we see immediately, if there are any problems. It would be sad if you finish the whole translation and it turns out that it does not work.

Ok. First part:

[tshering]

Originally Posted by surquizu

Ok. First part:

Wow, I did not expect you to be so quick.
The only important thing that I noted was that the quotation marks in the {ref} part were deleted in:

AchievementText{ref}"The harder the battle the sweet of jah victory." - Bob Marley{tr}Com més dura és la batalla, més dolça és la victòria - Bob Marley

Please restore them in your version of the file, otherwise this string will not be handled.

The other thing is that " %" got lost in:

FTEUpgradeController{ref}0 %{tr}0 %

Therefore, this string also does not get processed, but since there is no change to the translation in this case (or did you delete " %" in the translation on purpose?), it does not really matter. I just mention it to make you aware of it.

[surquizu]

Originally Posted by tshering

Wow, I did not expect you to be so quick.


Yesterday I had time.

The only important thing that I noted was that the quotation marks in the {ref} part were deleted in:

AchievementText{ref}"The harder the battle the sweet of jah victory." - Bob Marley{tr}Com més dura és la batalla, més dolça és la victòria - Bob Marley

Please restore them in your version of the file, otherwise this string will not be handled.

The other thing is that " %" got lost in:

FTEUpgradeController{ref}0 %{tr}0 %

Therefore, this string also does not get processed, but since there is no change to the translation in this case (or did you delete " %" in the translation on purpose?), it does not really matter. I just mention it to make you aware of it.

Excel has changed some format automatically. I'll watch.

[tshering]

Originally Posted by surquizu

Excel has changed some format automatically. I'll watch.

Yes, we have to watch out at this early phase of the project for possible sources of errors. I guess there might also be some problems how I apply the patch. Therefore, if you see some unexpected results, please report them.