Manage Tags and Virtual Libraries

[chaley]

Originally Posted by BookJunkieLI

I also lean towards Change All because having the same tag with lower and upper case seems redundant to me. Of course, someone could probably argue for why such an instance might be necessary...

You can't have the same tag with different case. You get one or the other, which is why the choice is "don't change the case" so the "hidden" tags aren't changed or "change the case" including the "hidden" tags.

My issue with deleting tags via Bulk metadata edit is that unless you know exactly which tag you want to delete or are simply deleting all of them you don't know what tags are associated with the books selected. In single metadata edit you can bring up the little table that allows you to apply/unapply tags but you can see exactly what's associated with that book. I would love love a table like that in Bulk Edit. Or for Manage Tags to only edit books associated with the active Virtual Library. Whichever is easier. Or if neither is easy/doable then I will accept that.

I have submitted code to Kovid that implements VL-aware tag changing/deleting in the tag browser. He said he will be able to look at it in several days.

[BookJunkieLI]

Originally Posted by chaley

You can't have the same tag with different case. You get one or the other, which is why the choice is "don't change the case" so the "hidden" tags aren't changed or "change the case" including the "hidden" tags.

I must have misunderstood something somewhere then. I would still go for change case of visible and hidden tags.

I have submitted code to Kovid that implements VL-aware tag changing/deleting in the tag browser. He said he will be able to look at it in several days.

YAY!

[BetterRed]

Sorry I'm bit late; real life got in the way. I'm cool with rename/delete operating within the scope of current VL.

Re casing, I agree with not allowing multiple instances of a category (tag, publisher, etc) where the only difference is case (ie history, History, HISTORY cannot coexist).

Question - what affect will the changes have on the Manage <category> feature.

Originally Posted by BookJunkieLI

...In single metadata edit you can bring up the little table that allows you to apply/unapply tags but you can see exactly what's associated with that book. I would love love a table like that in Bulk Edit.

I'd love to have the 'little table' available when I edit the tags for a single book in the book list (spreadsheet). Maybe it could be popped if double F2 is pressed. First F2 would get into cell edit as it does now, second F2 would pop the 'little table'.

BR

[chaley]

Originally Posted by BetterRed

Sorry I'm bit late; real life got in the way. I'm cool with rename/delete operating within the scope of current VL.

I found during testing that always using the VL to set the scope wasn't a good idea. There are times when the user wants the change to be limited and times when not. For example, it is highly likely that changing a series name should propagate through the entire library. Same with an author name.

To deal with this I added some lines to the context menu when a VL is in use. A picture is worth ...

Re casing, I agree with not allowing multiple instances of a category (tag, publisher, etc) where the only difference is case (ie history, History, HISTORY cannot coexist).

And that changing the case in the VL will change the case everywhere?

Question - what affect will the changes have on the Manage <category> feature.

These work the same as today, not taking the VL into account but instead showing all the items in the category. Two reasons for this: I didn't want to change their behavior and I didn't want to double the number of dialogs so the user could have the choice.

[BetterRed]

Originally Posted by chaley

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These [Manage <category>] work the same as today, not taking the VL into account but instead showing all the items in the category. Two reasons for this: I didn't want to change their behavior and I didn't want to double the number of dialogs so the user could have the choice.

But, but - this is weird - in Manage Tags/Publishers/Series when a VL is 'active' I see the same subset that I see in the Category sidebar (Tag Browser). However, in Manage Authors I see all the Authors.

BR

[chaley]

Originally Posted by BetterRed

But, but - this is weird - in Manage Tags/Publishers/Series when a VL is 'active' I see the same subset that I see in the Category sidebar (Tag Browser). However, in Manage Authors I see all the Authors.

BR

You are of course correct. I looked at authors and without looking at code I wrote 4 years ago assumed that they all behaved like that. What all-but-authors do today is show you the items in the VL. Changes to those items will be library-wide.

Four changes are possible.

1. Change the dialogs to show all items regardless of VL and to operate library-wide. This is my preference.
2. Change the dialogs to modify only the books in the VL. This will raise the problem of what to do when the user wants to change (for example) a series library-wide.
3. Add more lines for manage_[tags, series, publisher] and add another line in the context menu "manage X" to "manage x in VL". The lines in the drop down would be greyed if there was no VL. This increases complexity for perhaps little benefit.
4. Change nothing.

[BetterRed]

Originally Posted by chaley

You are of course correct.

Phew - I was worried it was just me.

Originally Posted by chaley

1. Change the dialogs to show all items regardless of VL and to operate library-wide. This is my preference.

BR

[chaley]

Originally Posted by BetterRed

BR

Change submitted.