the new bookerly font - Page 2

crich70 · 01-09-2015, 01:10 PM

I think it's mostly a subjective thing. The font isn't that much different in size from others but it does look darker (which makes it easier to read than a liter colored font), perhaps because it is a tiny bit smaller. I don't know. It does look good though I admit.

Blossom · 01-09-2015, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Thank you for that. But I really don't see any really noticeable difference.

Coming from someone who works with fonts. Bookerly is more a Serif font what Caecilia is a Slab-Serif. Bookerly is also more condense and has a little more weight on it. It reminds me of Times Roman meet some curves from Caecilia. I don't really like it but it probably the darkest font next to Lucida on on the Kindle Fire now. Why can't they give us Trebuchet back for me that was most readable. Get rid of Baskerville it's too light to use. Darken Palatino would be nice.

Blossom · 01-09-2015, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Thank you for that. But I really don't see any really noticeable difference.

Neither do I on the that screen shot.

Here's this may help more.

JSWolf · 01-09-2015, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Blossom

Neither do I on the that screen shot.

Here's this may help more.

Your screen shots do show things much better. I do like Bookish better then Caecilia. At the same font size, you are able to get more text on a line and that can mean more text per page. The bold italic is much more noticeable to the differences. I do think bookish should replace Caecilia on all Kindles. That would make things a little better.

Blossom · 01-09-2015, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Your screen shots do show things much better. I do like Bookish better then Caecilia. At the same font size, you are able to get more text on a line and that can mean more text per page. The bold italic is much more noticeable to the differences. I do think bookish should replace Caecilia on all Kindles. That would make things a little better.

I prefer Caecilia condense. It looks like this font but more readable but the Kindle Fire doesn't have it.

cybmole · 01-10-2015, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Can someone take a screen shot? I cannot find this font any other place to have a look at it. Thanks.

here is it, but grab the attachement quick in case posting is not allowed & I have to remove it

Ps, the claims of more text per line are false according to my tests.

using the kindle fire native app and also using the same fonts loaded into mantano reader premium ( sideloaded to same Kindle fire), then flipping between bookerly and Cecilia I get same number of words per line and same number of lines per page. I do see a difference - so the font change IS working, but it is subtle

if someone thinks different ,perhaps they can post screenshots

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cybmole · 01-10-2015, 04:04 AM

sorry, honest misake - its a font not a book, and not somehting that has to be paid for.

I thought that if it was copyright then you'd say so & I@d take it down again, I did not expect such a harsh response.

and I could argue that as it arrived, unsolicited, on my kindle, with no T&C attached, i.e. no "agree to terms and accept" procedure , then it's a gift for me to do as I wish with - ( but happy NOT to argue that in this forum if you'd rather we stop here.

Alexander Turcic · 01-12-2015, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by cybmole

sorry, honest misake - its a font not a book, and not somehting that has to be paid for.

Thanks for your understanding.

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Ripplinger · 01-12-2015, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Thank you for that. But I really don't see any really noticeable difference.

The only way I could see any difference was to use my graphic program to copy one of matching words to the opposite sample.

The only differences I can see is that tail letters are 1 pixel shorter; and the lower case 'a' is slightly different, the bottom half is shorter on Bookerly. I didn't stop and compare every letter in both upper and lower case, but letter width and height both seem identical (with the exception of the tail letters as noted), spacing within words seems identical, spacing between lines seems identical.

Blossom · 01-12-2015, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ripplinger

The only way I could see any difference was to use my graphic program to copy one of matching words to the opposite sample.

The only differences I can see is that tail letters are 1 pixel shorter; and the lower case 'a' is slightly different, the bottom half is shorter on Bookerly. I didn't stop and compare every letter in both upper and lower case, but letter width and height both seem identical (with the exception of the tail letters as noted), spacing within words seems identical, spacing between lines seems identical.

Bookerly has more feet than Caecilia making it serif instead of slab-serif. I think they should have just given us the condense version of Caecilia instead of the new font which with all the new feet looks squished.

albaran · 06-22-2015, 10:00 AM

It exists several variations of the Ceacilia font (size is for the regular one):
Caecilia (Kramola) 134KB
Caecilia Cond (Kramola) 202KB
Caecilia_LT_Cond (Kindle) 110KB
Caecilia_LT_Extra_Cond (Kindle) 110KB
May be less info in the specific versions for Kindle?

WillAdams · 06-22-2015, 10:56 AM

Yeah because of course typeface designs are totally unworthy of copyright and licensing protection and no one should expect to be able to make money designing typefaces or to have any control over their designs.

plonk.

JSWolf · 06-23-2015, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by albaran

It exists several variations of the Ceacilia font (size is for the regular one):
Caecilia (Kramola) 134KB
Caecilia Cond (Kramola) 202KB
Caecilia_LT_Cond (Kindle) 110KB
Caecilia_LT_Extra_Cond (Kindle) 110KB
May be less info in the specific versions for Kindle?

The two Kindle versions don't actually exist. It's the standard Caecilia being made condensed by the Kindle software.

albaran · 06-24-2015, 07:13 AM

Do a search for Caecilia Extra Cond

and some says that Amazon make specific (and largely modified) versions of Caecilia for the Kindle's products.

06-24-2015, 07:13 AM	#30
albaran Member Posts: 21 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2012 Device: Kobo Aura H2O - Nook Touch Glow	Do a search for Caecilia Extra Cond and some says that Amazon make specific (and largely modified) versions of Caecilia for the Kindle's products. Last edited by albaran; 06-24-2015 at 10:44 AM.

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01-09-2015, 01:10 PM	#16
crich70 Grand Sorcerer Posts: 11,310 Karma: 43993832 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Monroe Wisconsin Device: K3, Kindle Paperwhite, Calibre, and Mobipocket for Pc (netbook)	I think it's mostly a subjective thing. The font isn't that much different in size from others but it does look darker (which makes it easier to read than a liter colored font), perhaps because it is a tiny bit smaller. I don't know. It does look good though I admit.

01-10-2015, 03:29 AM	#22
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01-10-2015, 04:04 AM	#23
cybmole Wizard Posts: 3,720 Karma: 1759970 Join Date: Sep 2010 Device: none	sorry, honest misake - its a font not a book, and not somehting that has to be paid for. I thought that if it was copyright then you'd say so & I@d take it down again, I did not expect such a harsh response. and I could argue that as it arrived, unsolicited, on my kindle, with no T&C attached, i.e. no "agree to terms and accept" procedure , then it's a gift for me to do as I wish with - ( but happy NOT to argue that in this forum if you'd rather we stop here.

06-22-2015, 10:00 AM	#27
albaran Member Posts: 21 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2012 Device: Kobo Aura H2O - Nook Touch Glow	It exists several variations of the Ceacilia font (size is for the regular one): Caecilia (Kramola) 134KB Caecilia Cond (Kramola) 202KB Caecilia_LT_Cond (Kindle) 110KB Caecilia_LT_Extra_Cond (Kindle) 110KB May be less info in the specific versions for Kindle?

06-22-2015, 10:56 AM	#28
WillAdams Wizard Posts: 1,258 Karma: 3439432 Join Date: Feb 2008 Device: Amazon Kindle Paperwhite (300ppi), Samsung Galaxy Book 12	Yeah because of course typeface designs are totally unworthy of copyright and licensing protection and no one should expect to be able to make money designing typefaces or to have any control over their designs. plonk.

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