Prospects for a Kindle Voyage hack? - Page 2

Glorfindel · 11-13-2014, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knc1

If you don't have Wine installed (most distributions do), install it.
Then try running Rufus under Linux/Wine and report back.
- - - -
OR, although a bit more work, see if it can be ported from Mingw to Linux:
https://github.com/pbatard/rufus

That's an idea. IIRC it didn't work under wine, couldn't find any drives. (Yes, they where mounted

)

eschwartz · 11-13-2014, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glorfindel

That's an idea. IIRC it didn't work under wine, couldn't find any drives. (Yes, they where mounted

)

IIRC Wine requires manual configuration to forward mounted drives to its processes.

But why not simply use dd?

Glorfindel · 11-13-2014, 12:50 PM

I'm not good with CLI applications.

eschwartz · 11-13-2014, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glorfindel

I'm not good with CLI applications.

There are GUI fontends available, like gdiskdump.

Simpler than Rufus on WINE

, though not as simple as

Code:

sudo dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sda-somedevice

(Yes, it is that simple on the CLI.)

The main thing is that linux support for writing device blocks is builtin and anything can hook into it. Only Windows is limited to a handful of decent tools like Rufus, with custom code for the purpose that needs non-trivial porting.

Glorfindel · 11-13-2014, 01:10 PM

Is it easy to port stuff?

eschwartz · 11-13-2014, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Glorfindel

Is it easy to port stuff?

Depends on the code. If it was based on MinGW or Cygwin it shouldn't be too hard... but why if there are linux GUI frontends for pre-existing tools? gdiskdump should allow burning ISO to USB and Ubuntu has Startup Disk Creator and I believe Fedora has their own internal tool.

For partitoning drives you have Disk Utility on Ubuntu, which can repartition, format, edit filesystem labels (Rufus doesn't do this)...

Glorfindel · 11-13-2014, 02:42 PM

Gparted too. I just favor Rufus

eschwartz · 11-13-2014, 03:19 PM

There is plenty of stuff, Disk Utility (actually gnome-disk-utility, so it should be available on all systems with gnome-desktop) is simply the thing most linux users will have installed by default which does the job.

And Disk Utility and other tools makes it very easy to list and manage all your disks while also hooking into mkfs to support formatting a disk to any filesystem format, manage partition sizes, and do a lot of other things Rufus was never designed for. Generic tools are more useful in my mind than tools targeted to only do one specific facet. Rufus is a disk formatter, other tools are disk managers.

Hey, personally I just use what works, and is easiest to access, preferably stuff built into the system anyway. (With a slight preference for CLI stuff.) But if you happen to specifically like the GUI of Rufus, I cannot argue with that.

NiLuJe · 11-13-2014, 06:04 PM

Since we're talking of creating USB boot devices with dd: I haven't checked on a lot of different HW, but with drives created that way, I'm finding that some BIOSes will actually detect it as a HDD, and not a USB device, which is kind of annoying since that potentially means having to tweak the boot order in the BIOS each time...

Have I just only encountered crappy old hardware, or is it a known thing?

eschwartz · 11-13-2014, 06:18 PM

I have no idea. I never got that problem. I haven't tried a lot of HW, though.

It seems to be the recommended way of creating a LiveUSB on linux, according to most guides, I'd think more people would see that kind of error.

Arch Linux tends to have a very good Wiki

and they don't seem to warn about it, though they recommend dd "for its simplicity".
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php...allation_media

knc1 · 11-15-2014, 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eschwartz

IIRC Wine requires manual configuration to forward mounted drives to its processes.

But why not simply use dd?

Virtual Box (and other VMs) have that requirement.

W.i.n.e. = Wine is not an emulator.

It is a system call and system library(s) translation layer.
All of the code (Windows, trans layer, Linux) are running native on the hardware.

knc1 · 11-15-2014, 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knc1

If you have access to a Linux (not Windows) PC - probably yes - PM me.

We have one copy of the "still in the box information" we where looking for and a second one promised.

We could use some more "still in the box information" from people who have a KV (or KT2) on order and a Linux PC available.

PM me and/or NiLuJe if you feel like volunteering.

DaRon · 11-16-2014, 04:54 AM

@knc1: check ur inbox plz

stupidhaiku · 11-20-2014, 01:26 PM

So some good? news: my KV has the freezing problem so AMZ is sending me a replacement tomorrow. Definitely want to help if you guys send instructions on what I need to do (have Linux Mint 17, familiar with command line though not an expert).

knc1 · 11-20-2014, 03:04 PM

Taken care of by PM.

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11-13-2014, 12:50 PM	#18
Glorfindel Force-Aware Elf Posts: 4,762 Karma: 11557898 Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Valinor Device: Kindle 4 w/SO	I'm not good with CLI applications.

11-13-2014, 01:10 PM	#20
Glorfindel Force-Aware Elf Posts: 4,762 Karma: 11557898 Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Valinor Device: Kindle 4 w/SO	Is it easy to port stuff?

11-13-2014, 02:42 PM	#22
Glorfindel Force-Aware Elf Posts: 4,762 Karma: 11557898 Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Valinor Device: Kindle 4 w/SO	Gparted too. I just favor Rufus

11-13-2014, 03:19 PM	#23
eschwartz Ex-Helpdesk Junkie Posts: 19,421 Karma: 85400180 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Beaten Path, USA, Roundworld, This Side of Infinity Device: Kindle Touch fw5.3.7 (Wifi only)	There is plenty of stuff, Disk Utility (actually gnome-disk-utility, so it should be available on all systems with gnome-desktop) is simply the thing most linux users will have installed by default which does the job. And Disk Utility and other tools makes it very easy to list and manage all your disks while also hooking into mkfs to support formatting a disk to any filesystem format, manage partition sizes, and do a lot of other things Rufus was never designed for. Generic tools are more useful in my mind than tools targeted to only do one specific facet. Rufus is a disk formatter, other tools are disk managers. Hey, personally I just use what works, and is easiest to access, preferably stuff built into the system anyway. (With a slight preference for CLI stuff.) But if you happen to specifically like the GUI of Rufus, I cannot argue with that.

11-13-2014, 06:04 PM	#24
NiLuJe BLAM! Posts: 13,506 Karma: 26047202 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Paris, France Device: Kindle 2i, 3g, 4, 5w, PW, PW2, PW5; Kobo H2O, Forma, Elipsa, Sage, C2E	Since we're talking of creating USB boot devices with dd: I haven't checked on a lot of different HW, but with drives created that way, I'm finding that some BIOSes will actually detect it as a HDD, and not a USB device, which is kind of annoying since that potentially means having to tweak the boot order in the BIOS each time... Have I just only encountered crappy old hardware, or is it a known thing?

11-13-2014, 06:18 PM	#25
eschwartz Ex-Helpdesk Junkie Posts: 19,421 Karma: 85400180 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Beaten Path, USA, Roundworld, This Side of Infinity Device: Kindle Touch fw5.3.7 (Wifi only)	I have no idea. I never got that problem. I haven't tried a lot of HW, though. It seems to be the recommended way of creating a LiveUSB on linux, according to most guides, I'd think more people would see that kind of error. Arch Linux tends to have a very good Wiki and they don't seem to warn about it, though they recommend dd "for its simplicity". https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php...allation_media

11-16-2014, 04:54 AM	#28
DaRon Enthusiast Posts: 41 Karma: 1158 Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Austria Device: Libra Colour, Mini, Aura One, Pyrus mini	@knc1: check ur inbox plz

11-20-2014, 01:26 PM	#29
stupidhaiku Member Posts: 11 Karma: 12 Join Date: Nov 2012 Device: KV	So some good? news: my KV has the freezing problem so AMZ is sending me a replacement tomorrow. Definitely want to help if you guys send instructions on what I need to do (have Linux Mint 17, familiar with command line though not an expert).

11-20-2014, 03:04 PM	#30
knc1 Going Viral Posts: 17,212 Karma: 18210809 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Central Texas Device: No K1, PW2, KV, KOA	Taken care of by PM.

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