No space between 2 paragraphs?

[exaltedwombat]

I once came across an epub reader, I forget where, that had the alarming option to "use publisher options" (i.e. take notice of the book's style-sheet) or NOT!!

Well, I keep TELLING customers it's basically "text poured into a bucket" :-)

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by exaltedwombat

I once came across an epub reader, I forget where, that had the alarming option to "use publisher options" (i.e. take notice of the book's style-sheet) or NOT!!

Well, I keep TELLING customers it's basically "text poured into a bucket" :-)

That might be Marvin for iOS.

[exaltedwombat]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

That might be Marvin for iOS.

Unlikely, as I've never owned an Apple device :-)

[Hitch]

Originally Posted by exaltedwombat

I once came across an epub reader, I forget where, that had the alarming option to "use publisher options" (i.e. take notice of the book's style-sheet) or NOT!!

Well, I keep TELLING customers it's basically "text poured into a bucket" :-)

YES. For one thing, the K PPW does that. And Marvin certainly does it. One of the others--is it CoolReader?--for Droid, I think it is, has a complete and total override capability. MoonReader, maybe? The Droid readers--which give their "drivers" the most control--give me the most heartburn. Enough to drive even my hard-earned serenity (barks with laughter) out the window.

Just TODAY, I was snarling aloud at the computer, saying unprintable things about NookPress and their "Nook for Web" upload preview, which has a customer of ours completely convinced that the dog ate her fonts and the title on her title page has become SCRUNCHED (because you can set "publisher defaults," BUT...it doesn't display the FONTS. So the leading is wrong, of COURSE, but, to get it that way, you have to choose "publisher defaults" that AREN'T. Can you hear me screaming now?)

Hitch

[Toxaris]

Almost all readers for the windows platform I come across either ignore the included stylesheet or ignore it for the bigger part. Mind you, even the simple stylesheets. I haven't come across a reader that I liked yet.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Toxaris

Almost all readers for the windows platform I come across either ignore the included stylesheet or ignore it for the bigger part. Mind you, even the simple stylesheets. I haven't come across a reader that I liked yet.

Which ePub readers for Windows ignore the stylesheet?

[exaltedwombat]

Originally Posted by Toxaris

Almost all readers for the windows platform I come across either ignore the included stylesheet or ignore it for the bigger part. Mind you, even the simple stylesheets. I haven't come across a reader that I liked yet.

OK, the reader in Calibre is rudimentary, but it's not really a reading program. ADE notices stylesheets, doesn't it, and that's as near the standard Windows reader as any. For Kindle books, Kindle Reader (not Kindle Previewer) seems OK?

That's if you're creating/converting ebooks sensibly, not trying to emulate the "Three Men in a Boat" demo in cross-platform formats of course!

[Toxaris]

I don't count ADE, Kobo, B&N and Kindle apps. Just a normal book reader I can use on my windows tablet. I tried Book Bazaar, Freda and BookVisor (I think) and many others. They are either too rudimentary or ignore stylesheets. I am not talking about complicated stylesheet-fu here, but even rudimentary things like centering a header, slight change in font for a header, indent, etc. Very disappointing.

[exaltedwombat]

Originally Posted by Toxaris

I don't count ADE, Kobo, B&N and Kindle apps. Just a normal book reader I can use on my windows tablet.

It sounds like you're rejecting the "normal" ebook readers for Windows, preferring to dig out ones I've never heard of!

[Toxaris]

Originally Posted by exaltedwombat

It sounds like you're rejecting the "normal" ebook readers for Windows, preferring to dig out ones I've never heard of!

No, but those don't really work nice on a tablet. ADE is mediocre at best and I don't like the store tie-ins with the rest. I just want a simple plain reader with touch control that honors stylesheets. And no, I don't want to install Calibre on my tablet.

[Phylis Sophical]

Originally Posted by Hitch

Phylis:

I understand that you want the lines to look like lyrics/poetry. You shouldn't be using "break," because not all readers will honor it, and generally, it's not considered "good coding," if you're interested in that. Try someting like this, which will also give you a hanging indent, when the line wraps (notice I didn't say, IF the line wraps--trust me, it will).

 
<p class="top2">Come on in, baby take you coat off,</p>
<p class="poem">Come on in, baby take a load off</p>
<p class="poem">Come on in, baby shake the blues off</p>
<p class="poem">I’m gonna love that frown away</p>

<p class="top2">Next stanza</p>
<p class="poem">and continue....</p>

Hitch

Tried that and it didn't work. The only tag (I think that's the right word) that works is < /b>. Single spaces properly in Sigil, Claibre and Kobo Touch.

Why is < /b> not considered good coding?

[theducks]

Originally Posted by Phylis Sophical

Tried that and it didn't work. The only tag (I think that's the right word) that works is < /b>. Single spaces properly in Sigil, Claibre and Kobo Touch.

Why is < /b> not considered good coding?

<br /> is a line break
If all
you want
is a
square group

Did you define .top2 { } and .poem{ } (and link them in the <styles> section or stylesheet?

[Hitch]

Originally Posted by Phylis Sophical

Tried that and it didn't work. The only tag (I think that's the right word) that works is < /b>. Single spaces properly in Sigil, Claibre and Kobo Touch.

Why is < /b> not considered good coding?

Phyllis:

Then, you are doing something wrong. Did you modify the top-margins for top2 and poem? The client for whom we did this wanted more "air" between his lines than you likely do, but trust me: the coding works. If it doesn't, you have either done something wrong in the stylesheet or in the HTML. Did you use the styling I gave you, or did you CHANGE it? If you want "single line spacing" between the lines, you'll have to modify the top-margin, if memory serves. Did you do that?

And if you'll read the thread, you'll see that there are some devices that won't honor the <b/>, that's the reason.

Hitch

[st_albert]

Originally Posted by Hitch

YES. For one thing, the K PPW does that. And Marvin certainly does it. One of the others--is it CoolReader?--for Droid, I think it is, has a complete and total override capability. MoonReader, maybe? The Droid readers--which give their "drivers" the most control--give me the most heartburn. Enough to drive even my hard-earned serenity (barks with laughter) out the window.
...
Hitch

Perhaps you're thinking of Aldiko on the android platform (but there are several others that have this option -- IIRC it was present in the Palm Mobipocket app as well).

Aldiko, BTW, is one of my favorite epub readers on android tablets. We have a canned instruction to send to our authors who, previewing their books on Aldiko, send us frantic emails saying, e.g. "All the italics are GONE!!!" We usually only have to send it once.

Oh, and I gotta say I LOVE my job as a "bookmaker" (I presume you mean an e-book creator, rather than Vinnie down at the pool hall) for a publisher that does mostly fiction, seldom poetry, and almost never requires tables. We've had few compliments, *ahem*, and so far no major complaints about the formatting. We try to comply with the ADE-compliant readers, of course, and all the Kindles in so far as possible (Kindle for iPhone is a ... challenge) and most major readers. But if someone complained about it not working on their rare, unobtainium reader, I guess it'd be "Xin loi" and "All the best. Bye."

Life is too short.

Albert

[Hitch]

Originally Posted by st_albert

Perhaps you're thinking of Aldiko on the android platform (but there are several others that have this option -- IIRC it was present in the Palm Mobipocket app as well).

Aldiko, BTW, is one of my favorite epub readers on android tablets. We have a canned instruction to send to our authors who, previewing their books on Aldiko, send us frantic emails saying, e.g. "All the italics are GONE!!!" We usually only have to send it once.

It's not just Aldiko [although, thank you for reminding me], it's others as well. I honestly can't recall them all. I can tell you that "Ultra eBook Reader" is a total abortion for modern-day mobis!!! That one nearly gave me a stroke with an extremely, extremely difficult client. I don't even know how she FOUND the damned thing!

Oh, and I gotta say I LOVE my job as a "bookmaker" (I presume you mean an e-book creator, rather than Vinnie down at the pool hall) for a publisher that does mostly fiction, seldom poetry, and almost never requires tables. We've had few compliments, *ahem*, and so far no major complaints about the formatting. We try to comply with the ADE-compliant readers, of course, and all the Kindles in so far as possible (Kindle for iPhone is a ... challenge) and most major readers. But if someone complained about it not working on their rare, unobtainium reader, I guess it'd be "Xin loi" and "All the best. Bye."

Life is too short.

Albert

Well, Albert, I admit: if life were only full of fiction, I could be a cheerier person, I think. We do a TON of non-fiction; at least for us, most of the fiction low-hanging-fruit seems to have been plucked. We just took in a 1200 page "automotive parts"-type catalogue...oh, boy. ;-) in addtion to an 800-page tome on Net dating scams and an upcoming workout book with 598 images. And that's just 3 of our books...out of ~150-ish that are in right now. Joy and frabjous day.

And k for "unobtainium." It's one of my fave phrases!

Hitch