correct interpretation of <br> with centred text - Page 2

cybmole · 08-10-2014, 12:23 PM

Hmmm - maybe the lesson to take away form this book is that the REAL reason Stephen King does not like epubs is because his publishers employ such rubbish programmers

I did look back at the previous book in this series which I have, I would not say the coding was great but it's a lot better than this one!
here's a start of chapter sample from the previous book ( this is after it's been through calibre but all that has done is renamed a few style classes )

Code:

<head>
  <title>The Waste Lands</title>
  <link href="../Styles/stylesheet.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" />
  <link href="../Styles/page_styles.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" />
</head>

<body class="calibre">
  <p class="calibre1"><a id="c01"></a></p>

  <div class="fmhT">
    <b class="calibre5">I</b>
  </div>

  <div class="fmhT">
    <b class="calibre4">BEAR AND BONE</b>
  </div>

  <div class="centerAligned"><img alt="003" class="imgepub" src="../Images/king_9781101158616_oeb_003_r1.jpg" /></div>

  <div class="calibre2">
    <a id="h1"></a>
  </div>

  <h1 class="h"><b class="calibre4">1</b></h1>

  <div class="tx">
    IT WAS HER THIRD time with live ammunition . . . and her first time on the draw from the holster Roland had rigged for her.
  </div>

all nice n neat , deduct a mark for the superflous anchor tags and another for the unimaginative class names maybe!, but it's reasonably good code.

then whoever coded that gets replaced by the muppets who produced book 4 - maybe they were cheaper or something!

theducks · 08-10-2014, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cybmole

Hmmm - maybe the lesson to take away form this book is that the REAL reason Stephen King does not like epubs is because his publishers employ such rubbish programmers

I did look back at the previous book in this series which I have, I would not say the coding was great but it's a lot better than this one!
here's a start of chapter sample from the previous book ( this is after it's been through calibre but all that has done is renamed a few style classes )

Code:

<head>
  <title>The Waste Lands</title>
  <link href="../Styles/stylesheet.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" />
  <link href="../Styles/page_styles.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" />
</head>

<body class="calibre">
  <p class="calibre1"><a id="c01"></a></p>

  <div class="fmhT">
    <b class="calibre5">I</b>
  </div>

  <div class="fmhT">
    <b class="calibre4">BEAR AND BONE</b>
  </div>

  <div class="centerAligned"><img alt="003" class="imgepub" src="../Images/king_9781101158616_oeb_003_r1.jpg" /></div>

  <div class="calibre2">
    <a id="h1"></a>
  </div>

  <h1 class="h"><b class="calibre4">1</b></h1>

  <div class="tx">
    IT WAS HER THIRD time with live ammunition . . . and her first time on the draw from the holster Roland had rigged for her.
  </div>

all nice n neat , deduct a mark for the superflous anchor tags and another for the unimaginative class names maybe!, but it's reasonably good code.

then whoever coded that gets replaced by the muppets who produced book 4 - maybe they were cheaper or something!

That publishing house uses a monster 'house stylesheet'. Those are their standard class names that are to be used in the proper places within the book. There is nothing wrong using a standard stylesheet, just clean it as the last Release step.

The problem is I see fmtx (guessing usage here: Front Mater TXT)
used in the main body (instead of TX)
The coders obviously do not know the house rules

jackie_w · 08-10-2014, 01:37 PM

@cybmole,
I also have found that Moon+ is quite poor at honouring internal css. Mantano, PocketBook and UBReader are much better in this respect. However, I'm not sure which, if any, of these will run on the not-quite-Android devices of Kobo and Kindle. PocketBook is free, UBReader has a free and a Pro version, Mantano has Lite (free), Essentials and Premium.

If you've got any patience left

maybe try one of them. They all have their pros and cons.

ETA: It's not just css that Moon+ fails to render correctly, it's also basic tags such as <blockquote> , <pre>, <ol>, <li> and I've also had problems with books that use <div ...> (instead of <p ...>) for their standard paragraphs.

theducks · 08-10-2014, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackie_w

@cybmole,
I also have found that Moon+ is quite poor at honouring internal css. Mantano, PocketBook and UBReader are much better in this respect. However, I'm not sure which, if any, of these will run on the not-quite-Android devices of Kobo and Kindle. PocketBook is free, UBReader has a free and a Pro version, Mantano has Lite (free), Essentials and Premium.

If you've got any patience left

maybe try one of them. They all have their pros and cons.

ETA: It's not just css that Moon+ fails to render correctly, it's also basic tags such as <blockquote> , <pre>, <ol>, <li> and I've also had problems with books that use <div ...> (instead of <p ...>) for their standard paragraphs.

Moon + Pro has a setting (don't ask me where

, I stumbled upon it) that allows the stylesheet to prevail.
Not tested fully, but a lot of styling now matches was I see on my Astak Pocket Pro (MRSDK)

cybmole · 08-10-2014, 02:29 PM

i have mantano installed on both tablets now - looking good so far.
when I'd checked it out a while ago i'd only looiked at the free lite version & it seemed to lack a lot of what I wanted, but then I looked more carefully at what is in each version....
so my current personal android epub reader rankings are

1. mantano
2 kobo
3. moon

I looked at aldiko also, but did not get beyond it failing to show the covers, I was seeing 2- 3 empty pages at the start of each test book, where the cover should have been Other reviews suggest it also picks n chooses what CSS to honour, like moon does.

there are other options, but I skipped looking at most of the free stuff as I don't want an ad supported reader & because I figured you get what you pay for ( Kobo being an exception to that as they are giving you the app hoping you will then shop at their store)

I read good things about an app called Marvin - but that is only on apple devices.

moon + pro has 2 arguably relevant settings - one icon called preview /show publisher styling - but that is all or nothing - you cannot then set margins , line spacing, etc and it looked truly awful for my test books.. and one called disable CSS overrides, which allows a degrere of fine tuning, but not enough....

jackie_w · 08-10-2014, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theducks

Moon + Pro has a setting (don't ask me where

, I stumbled upon it) that allows the stylesheet to prevail.
Not tested fully, but a lot of styling now matches was I see on my Astak Pocket Pro (MRSDK)

Yes, books do look better in Moon+ if you always use Preview mode. But I find the fast vertical scrolling, when I do a page turn, a bit disturbing. Is there a way to stop this?

In the meantime Mantano Premium is still my fave and it also does a reasonable job with PDFs.

DiapDealer · 08-10-2014, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theducks

Moon + Pro has a setting (don't ask me where

, I stumbled upon it) that allows the stylesheet to prevail.
Not tested fully, but a lot of styling now matches was I see on my Astak Pocket Pro (MRSDK)

Yes. I believe they call it a "Publisher Preview", or some such. It's much better at honoring the css (after turning off as many of the css overrides as one can), but still quite lacking in my opinion. Plus ... last time I checked, it forced you to *shiver* scroll *shiver* through a book rather than page. That never made any sense to me.

cybmole · 08-11-2014, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Yes. I believe they call it a "Publisher Preview", or some such. It's much better at honoring the css (after turning off as many of the css overrides as one can), but still quite lacking in my opinion. Plus ... last time I checked, it forced you to *shiver* scroll *shiver* through a book rather than page. That never made any sense to me.

they wisely called it a "preview" ans it;s not fit for purpose as a reading option. It is handy only to confirm - yes the publisher did want that line indented/ centred/ smaller/ whatever, and the code really IS stilll there in the book...

I lack the patience & the mental trickery to work though this properly but:
I have many stories where the character is say reading from a book /a note/ a monitor..., or dreaming or remembering stuff - & that is shown by blockquoting to indent/restyle the relevant bits. So the layout clues you in as to what is going on. If moon reader throws away the blockquote CSS, what subjective impact does that have on someone reading the story for the 1st time, not knowing they are missing out on the visual aid ? I would imagine it bakes the book much harder to follow?

cybmole · 08-16-2014, 10:55 AM

update - the latest moon + reader pro release - 2.6.1 - in google store has fixed the reported issue with centred headers. the author did not send me any personal reply, but I spotted the update & re-tested with the same original book, & both header lines are now centred.

08-10-2014, 12:23 PM	#16
cybmole Wizard Posts: 3,720 Karma: 1759970 Join Date: Sep 2010 Device: none	Hmmm - maybe the lesson to take away form this book is that the REAL reason Stephen King does not like epubs is because his publishers employ such rubbish programmers I did look back at the previous book in this series which I have, I would not say the coding was great but it's a lot better than this one! here's a start of chapter sample from the previous book ( this is after it's been through calibre but all that has done is renamed a few style classes ) Code: <head> <title>The Waste Lands</title> <link href="../Styles/stylesheet.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" /> <link href="../Styles/page_styles.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" /> </head> <body class="calibre"> <p class="calibre1"><a id="c01"></a></p> <div class="fmhT"> <b class="calibre5">I</b> </div> <div class="fmhT"> <b class="calibre4">BEAR AND BONE</b> </div> <div class="centerAligned"><img alt="003" class="imgepub" src="../Images/king_9781101158616_oeb_003_r1.jpg" /></div> <div class="calibre2"> <a id="h1"></a> </div> <h1 class="h"><b class="calibre4">1</b></h1> <div class="tx"> IT WAS HER THIRD time with live ammunition . . . and her first time on the draw from the holster Roland had rigged for her. </div> all nice n neat , deduct a mark for the superflous anchor tags and another for the unimaginative class names maybe!, but it's reasonably good code. then whoever coded that gets replaced by the muppets who produced book 4 - maybe they were cheaper or something! Last edited by cybmole; 08-10-2014 at 12:27 PM.

08-10-2014, 01:37 PM	#18
jackie_w Grand Sorcerer Posts: 6,249 Karma: 16539642 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: UK Device: ClaraHD, Forma, Libra2, Clara2E, LibraCol, PBTouchHD3	@cybmole, I also have found that Moon+ is quite poor at honouring internal css. Mantano, PocketBook and UBReader are much better in this respect. However, I'm not sure which, if any, of these will run on the not-quite-Android devices of Kobo and Kindle. PocketBook is free, UBReader has a free and a Pro version, Mantano has Lite (free), Essentials and Premium. If you've got any patience left maybe try one of them. They all have their pros and cons. ETA: It's not just css that Moon+ fails to render correctly, it's also basic tags such as <blockquote> , <pre>, <ol>, <li> and I've also had problems with books that use <div ...> (instead of <p ...>) for their standard paragraphs. Last edited by jackie_w; 08-10-2014 at 01:51 PM.

08-10-2014, 02:29 PM	#20
cybmole Wizard Posts: 3,720 Karma: 1759970 Join Date: Sep 2010 Device: none	i have mantano installed on both tablets now - looking good so far. when I'd checked it out a while ago i'd only looiked at the free lite version & it seemed to lack a lot of what I wanted, but then I looked more carefully at what is in each version.... so my current personal android epub reader rankings are 1. mantano 2 kobo 3. moon I looked at aldiko also, but did not get beyond it failing to show the covers, I was seeing 2- 3 empty pages at the start of each test book, where the cover should have been Other reviews suggest it also picks n chooses what CSS to honour, like moon does. there are other options, but I skipped looking at most of the free stuff as I don't want an ad supported reader & because I figured you get what you pay for ( Kobo being an exception to that as they are giving you the app hoping you will then shop at their store) I read good things about an app called Marvin - but that is only on apple devices. moon + pro has 2 arguably relevant settings - one icon called preview /show publisher styling - but that is all or nothing - you cannot then set margins , line spacing, etc and it looked truly awful for my test books.. and one called disable CSS overrides, which allows a degrere of fine tuning, but not enough.... Last edited by cybmole; 08-10-2014 at 02:34 PM.

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08-16-2014, 10:55 AM	#24
cybmole Wizard Posts: 3,720 Karma: 1759970 Join Date: Sep 2010 Device: none	update - the latest moon + reader pro release - 2.6.1 - in google store has fixed the reported issue with centred headers. the author did not send me any personal reply, but I spotted the update & re-tested with the same original book, & both header lines are now centred.

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