Without the Store...how do I get books?

[cybmole]

relaed question:

if sony pulll the reader software also, ( which would be a logical next step for them) how than to manage adobe ID on a sony T series.

can't use ADE as ade cannot see the Sony hardware

I don't see Kobo destop software getting a new function to manage this...

so scenario: I rashly delete sony desktop, I then acquire a T series reader, & I want to borrow library books with it, so its needs an adobe ID,

library web site cannot set that up,

Kobo web site /desktop can't set that up either, ( Kobo don't use Adobe DRM so zero interest for them )

Adobe won't help because they blame Sony for lack if interoperability...

so how can the device authorisation be managed/ changed/removed.... ( well a hard reset would remove an ID, but the more interesting question is how would a new one get added ? )

[rcentros]

Originally Posted by cybmole

so scenario: I rashly delete sony desktop, I then acquire a T series reader, & I want to borrow library books with it, so its needs an adobe ID,

library web site cannot set that up,

I don't claim to be a Sony expert, but the refurbished T2 I recently bought (and then upgraded) can still be used to borrow books directly from the library (without a computer) -- ADE is still built into the device. And the Sony Desktop still comes on one of the Sony T2's partitions for loading on my computer. Since I use Linux, I've never used the Desktop Software, but it's still there (on the device) ready for installation. I got my Adobe ID when I installed ADE (via Wine) on to my Linux computer. So you don't have to install Sony's Desktop to get an Adobe ID -- it just makes it a bit more convenient (I'm guessing, since I've never used Sony's software).

I would guess, in a month or so, Kobo will get their market working on the Sony devices. I hope they can do a fairly clean job of it.

[cybmole]

ade support is built in , yes, but you have to supply your own specific authorisation ID TO the device, hence the need to connect it to SOMETHInG that will do that.

I borrow via PC but I am pretty sure that a new T2/T3 cannot borrow from library unless set up with an ID,
Even if it can somehow manage that, it for sure cannot open a library book that you borrowed onto your PC using ADE, & then sideloaed via USB onto the sony reader. For that it has to be using the same adobe ID as your PC is using.
so we circle back to will sony continue support desktop software even when there's no longer a shop for that software to access ?

NB with the older PRS650, ADE v2 could do everything for you, including authorise/de-authorise. With the newer models, only the Sony software can do that job ( of activating your reader, using the adobe Id that is on your PC )

[rcentros]

Originally Posted by cybmole

ade support is built in , yes, but you have to supply your own specific authorisation ID TO the device, hence the need to connect it to SOMETHInG that will do that.

I borrow via PC but I am pretty sure that a new T2/T3 cannot borrow from library unless set up with an ID,
Even if it can somehow manage that, it for sure cannot open a library book that you borrowed onto your PC using ADE, & then sideloaed via USB onto the sony reader. For that it has to be using the same adobe ID as your PC is using.
so we circle back to will sony continue support desktop software even when there's no longer a shop for that software to access ?

Okay, this is what I have done ... 1) Bought the T2. 2) Set up an ADE account in Wine and authenticated the computer. 3) Downloaded books directly to my T2 and (at some point) gave the library my Adobe ID (which I got when I installed ADE in Wine). 4) Read the book on the T2. Other than the ADE ID, nothing on ADE was required.

I don't think I ever tried to read the book in ADE, but Calibre sees it fine. I think I did connect my Nook Simple Touch to ADE (just to see if it worked), but that's about all I've done with it -- I remember now, that there's a trick in Wine's configuration required for ADE to see the eReader -- Windows users shouldn't have that problem.

As for hardware product support, I would think (at least hope) that the Sony Desktop software would be downloadable on Sony's site for a while (at least for a few years) as the Reader is a Sony product, not a Kobo one. I know Sony support currently is available there -- and the newest version of the Desktop connects you to Kobo's store, not Sony's. (I haven't tried it, I'm just going by the description ...)

"This utility updates the Reader™ for PC software to version 2.3.00.03130 and provides the following benefits:

"The "Reader™ Store" icon and link is replaced with the "Kobo Store" icon and link to enable direct access to the Kobo eBook Store.

"Note: For full access to the Kobo eBook Store, account registration may be required."

http://esupport.sony.com/CA/p/swu-do...os_group_id=13

So the Reader Desktop should be supported with the hardware by Sony -- the closing of the Sony Reader stores should not change that.

[wachuko]

Well... I just tried buying a book from Kobo... bought it successfully... never gave me the option of format. All this done via the Reader for PC app from Sony...

I then connected my reader. Synced with the new book... and I can't read it in the reader due to "Protected by Digital Rights Management" error message!! arghhh...

[wachuko]

Kobo returned my money for the three books purchased... things should not be this hard. More and more I am thinking about just giving in and getting a Kindle....

[rcentros]

Originally Posted by wachuko

Kobo returned my money for the three books purchased... things should not be this hard. More an more I am thinking of just give in and get a Kindle....

I just downloaded a free book from Kobo via the Kobo store button on my T2 device (no computer necessary), and also a couple previews. That worked fine, but I doubt the previews and the free book have DRM. I guess I'll have to spring for a paid book and see how it works. (But I still won't know if it had DRM, or not.)

The store is extremely bare-bones. You can search for books or browse the "Top 50" for the day, but there doesn't appear to be any way to sort books brought up in the search. The backward and forward buttons don't work on the T2 -- you just have to use the touch screen (I'm guessing that's the way the T2 works on the Internet). But, for all that, it's still kind of nice to have a store right on the device. I'm guessing it will more refined as Kobo tweaks their store front for the Sony devices. (Or maybe this is just how the Kobo store works on Kobos also?)

[AnemicOak]

Originally Posted by rcentros

I guess I'll have to spring for a paid book and see how it works. (But I still won't know if it had DRM, or not.)

Here is a freebie that has DRM...
http://store.kobobooks.com/en-US/ebook/caribou-crossing

Caribou Crossing by Susan Fox

[rcentros]

Originally Posted by AnemicOak

Here is a freebie that has DRM...
http://store.kobobooks.com/en-US/ebook/caribou-crossing

Caribou Crossing by Susan Fox

Downloaded Caribou Crossing using the T2 and it loaded without issue. Looks like the Kobo Bookstore is a reality on Sony devices now -- at least on the T1, T2 and T3. I'm happy to see that. (EDIT: Checked my library and realized that two of the other Kobo books I had were also DRM, including the other one I downloaded today ... yesterday.)

EDIT: Now I'll have to buy a book that costs something, so I can check to make sure payment system works -- which is probably the least of my worries (I would imagine that has priority).

[revmike]

I had the same thing happen, bought a book, but could not open due to DRM. When I contacted Kobo they indicated that it was a publisher problem. They offered either a refund or store credit and removed the book. I really wanted the book so I purchased it from eBooks.com.

[rcentros]

Originally Posted by AnemicOak

Here is a freebie that has DRM...
http://store.kobobooks.com/en-US/ebook/caribou-crossing

Caribou Crossing by Susan Fox

Okay, now that I've downloaded it to try it out, and then deleted it and deleted it forever on my Kobo account -- how do I get it to quit showing up for download on my Purchased Content bookshelf? When I long-press the book on Purchased Content bookshelf, I just get choices for Download or Info. If I tap it, it downloads again -- though now it doesn't even show up in my online Kobo library?

(Just curious if this is normal behavior for the Kobo Store, or the Sony Reader? I hope I don't have to use the Reader Software to delete it permanently, since I can't use it on Linux.)

[wachuko]

Thank you. For my travel I just went and bought a paperback book (The Winner by David Baldacci). It was good for the travel to where I was going and that was it... nothing to read on the way back.

I see now that the T1 can go in and download directly without the need for anything else. Good. I just did the test with one of their free ebooks.

Too bad none of the new David Baldacci books have DRM... I will have to get those elsewhere then.

Thank you again.

[wachuko]

Humm... if I do a search in the Kobo store, I can't seem to scroll to the next pages of results.

Also, how were you able to tell that it had DRM??

Let me try the eBooks site mentioned.