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Old 03-13-2014, 10:24 PM   #16
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http://www.kobobooks.com/termsofuse

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Ok. I see it.

Kobo should just switch to Amazon's business model where there is a Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, Amazon.co.uk, Amazon.in and give people the freedom to choose where to buy their ebooks.

It is a profitable business, each softcopy of the epub costs nothing, the more epubs downloaded, the higher the revenue, even if it is at 90% off. Maybe that is why Kobo did not stop people from "traveling".
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If Kobo has an issue with people "travelling", it would have shutdown the "loophole" long ago. I think to Kobo, it is another sale to them, they are more than happy to sell one more book if the customer "travels".
Kobo will only have a problem with it if publishers complain, as you say it's another sale for them. It's publisher who originally pushed stores to take measures to restrict by geography. It really first became an issue when the UK publishers started putting out more than a few titles as ebooks. Before that there wasn't a huge geo-restriction problem. Kobo's current unspoken policy seems to be to go with the "letter" of geo-restricting (as in they restrict based on the address you give) as opposed to the "spirit" of it (they don't seem to use any other methods of determining location) so to speak.


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Kobo should just switch to Amazon's business model where there is a Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, Amazon.co.uk, Amazon.in and give people the freedom to choose where to buy their ebooks.
The only way I can buy eBooks from Amazon CA or UK or elsewhere from the US (besides .com) would be to lie about my location when doing so and even then it doesn't necessarily work.
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Old 03-13-2014, 10:38 PM   #18
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Kobo will only have a problem with it if publishers complain, as you say it's another sale for them. It's publisher who originally pushed stores to take measures to restrict by geography. It really first became an issue when the UK publishers started putting out more than a few titles as ebooks. Before that there wasn't a huge geo-restriction problem. Kobo's current unspoken policy seems to be to go with the "letter" of geo-restricting (as in they restrict based on the address you give) as opposed to the "spirit" of it (they don't seem to use any other methods of determining location) so to speak.
I'm not in the book business. I don't know how they work. I imagined that for each book sold, Kobo take a cut, publisher takes a cut etc.

Looks like it is not.

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The only way I can buy eBooks from Amazon CA or UK or elsewhere from the US (besides .com) would be to lie about my location when doing so and even then it doesn't necessarily work.
Why did you have to lie about your location when buying from Amazon.ca or UK?

My billing address is in Canada and have a Canadian credit card, I can sign-in to Amazon.com and Amazon.co.uk to buy books from USA and UK without having to "lie" about my location. The best part about Amazon, despite it is Amazon.com and Amazon.co.uk, my user id/password for Amazon.ca works on them without the need to create separate user id/password.
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I just took a look at the prices in Canada and India:

Sycamore Row by John Grisham - Amazon.ca - CAD$13.99
Sycamore Row by John Grisham - Amazon.in - INR350, Sale INR169

INR350 = CAD$6.34
INR169 = CAD$3.06

That's a savings of CAD$10! I can stretch that dollar if I buy in India!
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Why did you have to lie about your location when buying from Amazon.ca or UK?

My billing address is in Canada and have a Canadian credit card, I can sign-in to Amazon.com and Amazon.co.uk to buy books from USA and UK without having to "lie" about my location. The best part about Amazon, despite it is Amazon.com and Amazon.co.uk, my user id/password for Amazon.ca works on them without the need to create separate user id/password.
Because those are country specific sites. You can buy physical goods from them and have them shipped anywhere, but eBooks with geo-restrictions are restricted to the regions those sites cover. the .com site is different in that it covers everywhere worldwide to at least some extent. That doesn't mean that if you go to the .com site from the UK or Canada, etc. that you can buy every ebook a US buyer can and vice versa. In general the site will only show you titles which are available in your country. If you can go to the .uk site from Canada with a Canadia address and buy ebooks you're luckier than folks in the US. Everyone I know who's managed to buy from there has had to use a UK address in order to do so.
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Why did you have to lie about your location when buying from Amazon.ca or UK?

My billing address is in Canada and have a Canadian credit card, I can sign-in to Amazon.com and Amazon.co.uk to buy books from USA and UK without having to "lie" about my location. The best part about Amazon, despite it is Amazon.com and Amazon.co.uk, my user id/password for Amazon.ca works on them without the need to create separate user id/password.
Wow, I'm jealous. I can buy physical books that way, but not Kindle books.

When I look at Kindle books in other country sites, instead of the purchase button I see a green box with the following text:
Kindle titles are available for CA customers on Amazon.ca.
Continue shopping on the Kindle Store at Amazon.ca.
(with some slight variations in terminology from country to country)


Wait, do you have an amazon.com account from the days before amazon.ca that you didn't change over? Maybe that makes some sort of difference?? But the UK part still seems unusual.
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Old 03-13-2014, 11:31 PM   #22
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Because those are country specific sites. You can buy physical goods from them and have them shipped anywhere, but eBooks with geo-restrictions are restricted to the regions those sites cover. the .com site is different in that it covers everywhere worldwide to at least some extent. That doesn't mean that if you go to the .com site from the UK or Canada, etc. that you can buy every ebook a US buyer can and vice versa. In general the site will only show you titles which are available in your country. If you can go to the .uk site from Canada with a Canadia address and buy ebooks you're luckier than folks in the US. Everyone I know who's managed to buy from there has had to use a UK address in order to do so.
You are right. I have purchased from Amazon.co.uk before but not kindle books. I just tested and it said I should buy Kindle books from Amazon.com. The rest of the merchandise in Amazon.co.uk is ok, I can buy them.

I can buy from either Amazon.com or Amazon.ca. I'm not sure if Canadians are restricted from buying from Amazon.com, mine was "grandfathered", when I started off, Amazon.ca sells kindle books but not the Kindle device, I bought all my kindle books from Amazon.com.
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I can buy from either Amazon.com or Amazon.ca. I'm not sure if Canadians are restricted from buying from Amazon.com, mine was "grandfathered", when I started off, Amazon.ca sells kindle books but not the Kindle device, I bought all my kindle books from Amazon.com.
You can buy books marked as available in Canada by the publisher on the .com site. Which is probably a lot of the same titles as US customers get with a little variation. There are some authors with separate Canadian contracts or UK publishers that hold the Canadian rights so you might get a different edition with a different cover sometimes and the pricing for Canada might be different than elsewhere for the same title.

For example Kelley Armstrong is a Canadian author. She has sold her Canadian rights to Random House Canada, her US rights to Penguin (Plume) and her UK rights to Orbit (Little, Brown Book Group) so her books are put out in English by three separate publishers with different covers, marketing & pricing (the links above are to her book Bitten on all three sites).
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Old 03-13-2014, 11:41 PM   #24
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Wow, I'm jealous. I can buy physical books that way, but not Kindle books.

When I look at Kindle books in other country sites, instead of the purchase button I see a green box with the following text:
Kindle titles are available for CA customers on Amazon.ca.
Continue shopping on the Kindle Store at Amazon.ca.
(with some slight variations in terminology from country to country)


Wait, do you have an amazon.com account from the days before amazon.ca that you didn't change over? Maybe that makes some sort of difference?? But the UK part still seems unusual.
All my kindle books are from Amazon.com.
I buy physical books, DVDs, gadget cases etc from Amazon.ca, Amazon.com and Amazon.co.uk.

I just tested Amazon.co.uk for Kindle books and it said "Kindle titles for your country are not available at Amazon.co.uk. Please shop for Kindle titles at Amazon.com."

My Amazon account was for Amazon.ca, my first purchase was at Amazon.ca. When I started buying kindle books, I bought them from Amazon.com. At that time, Amazon.ca has kindle books but not the Kindle device. Currently, I can buy kindle books from either Amazon.com or Amazon.ca.

Do you mean to say your Amazon.ca account does not let you buy kindle books from Amazon.com?
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My first Amazon account was with Amazon.ca, and I purchased many physical books with them over the years. Then ebooks came on the scene, and my first Kindle account was with Amazon.com because .ca didn't sell Kindle books. So from Canada, I used Amazon.com to purchase my Kindle books from my physical location in Canada, and Amazon had my Canadian physical address and credit card info. Then I became a snowbird. Sitting at my U.S. address, I entered that in my Amazon.com account information and changed my country settings to U.S. Lo and behold, some books were cheaper. Then Amazon.ca started up and we Canadians were offered the option of transferring our libraries to Amazon.ca. I chose not to. I wrote to Amazon CS and told them I would be living part of the year in Canada and part of the year in the U.S. I asked if it would be permissible for me to change my country settings at the website according to where I was physically and continue to purchase books from Amazon.com. They said I could change my country as often as I liked. So I do that. I just make sure that when I purchase a book, my country settings are correct, so if there is any checking of my download location, it is clear that I am not misrepresenting my location.

This system now doesn't always serve me, as I have noticed that sometimes e-books from Amazon.com are more expensive when I am in Canada than they are when I am in the U.S. I have also seen instances where the same e-book would be a lower price for me if my library were in Amazon.ca when I am in Canada. However, I am reluctant to change over. I don't know how easy it is to transfer entire libraries repeatedly.

BTW, at the current time, my country settings on my Amazon account are set to U.S. When I go to the Kindle page at Amazon.ca, I am told that Amazon.ca is for Canadian customers only.

I looked over Amazon.com's terms of service and I don't see any reference to misrepresenting one's geographic location being against their terms. Just to be on the safe side, I only change countries to reflect where I actually am physically.
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I looked over Amazon.com's terms of service and I don't see any reference to misrepresenting one's geographic location being against their terms. Just to be on the safe side, I only change countries to reflect where I actually am physically.
I don't recall if there is anything there or not. I know some folks have been randomly contacted to verify they are where they say they are after chainging locations on occasion, although I haven't heard about it happening recently or often.
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Do you mean to say your Amazon.ca account does not let you buy kindle books from Amazon.com?
I think once you transfer your Kindle library to Amazon.ca from Amazon.com, you would likely have to purchase your kindle books from Amazon.ca thereafter. I know with my Amazon.com account, I can't buy kindle books from Amazon.ca even when my country settings are set to Canada. (I've tried it, just to see what would happen.)
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You can buy books marked as available in Canada by the publisher on the .com site. Which is probably a lot of the same titles as US customers get with a little variation. There are some authors with separate Canadian contracts or UK publishers that hold the Canadian rights so you might get a different edition with a different cover sometimes and the pricing for Canada might be different than elsewhere for the same title.

For example Kelley Armstrong is a Canadian author. She has sold her Canadian rights to Random House Canada, her US rights to Penguin (Plume) and her UK rights to Orbit (Little, Brown Book Group)
Interesting, so "things are not what they seem".. so far I buy popular titles from big publishers so chances are that those books that I want to buy are marked as available for Canadians in Amazon.com site.
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I think once you transfer your Kindle library to Amazon.ca from Amazon.com, you would likely have to purchase your kindle books from Amazon.ca thereafter.
I believe your correct. I think that's how it went for UK folks when Amazon UK first started selling ebooks as well.
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Comparison, Stephen King's "Doctor Sleep":

Amazon.com (from my U.S. address): $7.99 USD
Amazon.ca (not signed in): $17.99 Cdn
Amazon.ca (signed in from my U.S. address): price not available
Kobo: $7.99, not sure if that's Cdn or USD. Same whether I'm signed in or not.
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