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|  11-28-2013, 08:55 PM | #16 | |
| Serpent Rider            Posts: 1,123 Karma: 10219804 Join Date: Jun 2009 Device: Sony 350; Nook STR; Oasis | Quote: 
 Sonny, settle down and stop taking this personally. NOBODY here is talking directly about you. Or, they weren't, until you acted exactly like we all thought someone like you would. So chill and eat some more turkey, drink some eggnog and get along. We do [for the most part anyway  ] | |
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|  11-28-2013, 11:07 PM | #17 | |
| Wizard            Posts: 4,812 Karma: 26912940 Join Date: Apr 2010 Device: sony PRS-T1 and T3, Kobo Mini and Aura HD, Tablet | Quote: 
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|  11-29-2013, 01:45 AM | #18 | |
| Guru            Posts: 861 Karma: 3543721 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Estonia Device: Kindle Paperwhite, iPad 3, Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge | Quote: 
 Also, there's a marked difference between a prolific young reader who has a library of several hundred books (which, I'd think, is not insignificant - most of the avid readers I know in that age group have maybe two shelves, no more than 100-200 books in their personal library, and they consider themselves big readers) and a prolific older reader who has a library of several thousand books at home already. Most reading-inclined people find space for ~200 books at home, even if they don't have a garage (not everyone does, you know). When we're talking about ~2000, that's starting to be another matter, and one where even snobbish* teens and early-20s start thinking about maybe giving this awful e-reading business a try after all. (*Note for those with problems with reading comprehension: I'm not saying all teens and early-20s are snobs. Some - even many - are, though, especially when it comes to reading, and they're the ones I mean here.) | |
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|  11-29-2013, 08:43 AM | #19 | |
| eBook Enthusiast            Posts: 85,560 Karma: 93980341 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6 | Quote: 
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|  11-29-2013, 09:36 AM | #20 | |
| Addict            Posts: 201 Karma: 1071756 Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Nova Scotia Device: Kobo Aura, Nexus 5x | Quote: 
 I'm quite a bit more impressed with this poll than most similar ones. They actually seem to have asked the right sort of questions. I'm particularly pleased to see that 36% of those who prefer DTBs cite as their reasons exactly what Amazon promotes as the benefits of a Kindle: "I am not restricted to a particular device" (20%), '"I can easily share it" (10%), … and "I can sell it when used" (6%)'. When e-book sales level off and Amazon, and whoever's left in the trade, look for ways to continue to grow the business, maybe they'll realize that vendor lock-in and end-user licenses are not good for anybody. | |
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|  11-29-2013, 09:41 AM | #21 | 
| Guru            Posts: 997 Karma: 12000001 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Seattle Wahington U.S. Device: kindle | 
			
			Not all prolific readers will prefer ereaders. That wasn't even implied. But those who are NOT prolific readers or who don't have some condition that makes paper difficult would have little reason for the added expense of an ereader. It would not make sense for them to buy one unless they just enjoy gadgets. It would be like someone who goes to maybe one game a year buying a season's pass.
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|  11-29-2013, 09:46 AM | #22 | |
| Addict            Posts: 201 Karma: 1071756 Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Nova Scotia Device: Kobo Aura, Nexus 5x | Quote: 
 But the fact that it's legal to buy used books in the US (and particularly in the US) is key—and not legal to buy a used e-book. Those kids who preferred paper actually seemed to understand the legal issues. | |
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|  11-29-2013, 09:51 AM | #23 | |
| Addict            Posts: 201 Karma: 1071756 Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Nova Scotia Device: Kobo Aura, Nexus 5x | Quote: 
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|  11-29-2013, 12:29 PM | #24 | |
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 6,111 Karma: 34000001 Join Date: Mar 2008 Device: KPW1, KA1 | Quote: 
 Value for money: True, ebooks don't give you any stuff to hold, but they give you a lot of extra perks, such as portability, customizable font, built-in lighting in your reading device (if you're using a tablet or a newer reader), and space savings in your home. That's a lot of value for money in my book. (Uh... yeah.) eBooks should be half their price: For me, eBooks ARE already half the price of the paperback versions, or close to that, assuming I shop around a bit, and sometimes prices are even lower. I can buy best sellers or newly released books for prices like $10 (€7.35), where the same book in paper would invariably cost me around €12, should I buy it as a paper edition. Often it's easy to find even cheaper stores or use coupon codes. I think this research is another stupor of the publishing industry, fearing that they will be made redundant. E-books give the artist the possibility to sell directly to their fans, either through a store, or maybe even through their own websites. We're seeing the same thing happening as with digital music. Back then (around 2000), there were many reports that a lot of people preferred CD's over digital music. Back then I could appreciate that, because a CD *IS* better than an MP3. I still prefer CD's as source material.... to create my own digital music, after which the CD will be archived. With e-books, there need not be a quality difference, as long as the publisher / author takes care to layout the book properly. | |
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|  11-29-2013, 03:00 PM | #25 | 
| Wizard            Posts: 3,388 Karma: 14190103 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Berlin Device: Cybook, iRex, PB, Onyx | 
			
			Really, what is the sense in taking apart their arguments?? It's their opinion. Respect it and don't try to show them how wrong they are. My daughter fits into this age group too and also into the result of the survey. She prefers paper books to ebooks by far. Of course she has an ereader (she couldn't help getting one  ), she sees the advantages in regard of shelf space and going on vacation, but nevertheless wants to read (and own) "real books". For her one of the most important advantages is the flipping through the book, the finding of certain places in the book. | 
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|  11-29-2013, 04:22 PM | #26 | 
| Eudaimonia            Posts: 898 Karma: 9164418 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Vancouver, Canada Device: Sony PRS T2, Sony PRS T3, Sony DPT-RP1 | 
			
			Based on my personal experience, i tend to agree with the conclusions of this study. Also, ALL the prolific readers i know do not have ereaders, and they do have thousands of books and they are quite proud of it, actually. They call it their "personal library". Some even have dedicated areas in their houses for them. Paper books are indeed a very special object for some (including me). I read ebooks and paper books almost in equal amount, for various reasons (availability, better visual arrangement and typesetting in the paper books, etc). The advantages of ereaders exist and are quite impressive, but books are stilol great objects and very well adapted to their function. | 
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|  11-29-2013, 07:08 PM | #27 | 
| eReader            Posts: 2,750 Karma: 4968470 Join Date: Aug 2007 Device: Note 5; PW3; Nook HD+; ChuWi Hi12; iPad | 
			
			I really think there is no universally right answer, however, when it comes to value for money, one of the things that you have to consider is that different people value different things. For me, at 50, the added value that comes from a physical object such as a paperback is greatly outweighed by that of being able to change the font size on an ebook. When you add the fact the screen doesn't have the same problems with gutters it becomes no contest. I value the format I can read easily more than the one I have to struggle with. However, my values are based on 50 year-old eyes, and a 16-24 year old may not have the same issues reading a paperback, so their value equation will weight the factors differently than mine. I'm curious to see what the numbers might reflect as those who grow up with ebooks and ereaders begin to age. Will they shift further toward ebooks as they grow older? | 
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|  11-30-2013, 01:05 AM | #28 | 
| Addict            Posts: 310 Karma: 1013114 Join Date: Sep 2006 | 
			
			this is accurate I'm 51 yo and all the youngsters in my office drag around paper books, when I inquire why they don't like ebooks they are all very much professing their love of books I gather the ease of passing them among family members as the chief reason
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|  11-30-2013, 10:52 AM | #29 | 
| eReader            Posts: 2,750 Karma: 4968470 Join Date: Aug 2007 Device: Note 5; PW3; Nook HD+; ChuWi Hi12; iPad | 
			
			We use a shared family Kindle acc't. Works very well.
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|  11-30-2013, 04:09 PM | #30 | |
| Plan B Is Now In Force            Posts: 1,894 Karma: 8086979 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Surebleak Device: Aluratek,Sony 350/T1,Pandigital,eBM 911,Nook HD/HD+,Fire HDX 7/8.9,PW2 | Quote: 
  Being able to finally afford and buy books was a big deal to me when I was younger, since I had always been an avid reader since I learned to read. I can understand preferring the tactile aspect of reading, the enjoyment of book cover designs (they just don't have the same impact on e-readers), the ability to easily share books (and re-sell them). | |
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