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SUSGOD · 02-10-2008, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

-snip- Anyone who puts 105 links on a single page should seriously re-think their user interface! Were all these links really on the same page?

Harry,

While waiting for my NAEB Cybook, I am updating my HTML genealogy files at http://home.att.net/~jg245/ and stripping out-of-page links. The couple of thousand remaining links will allow me to zip between my related families when I assemble the 80 htm files into one e-book. Fortunately most of the 30,000 individuals already have unique A NAME links. If I had to go page by page, I could not use an e-book for reference.

Susan

delphidb96 · 02-10-2008, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dso371

OK, I see what you mean. Still far too many taps, mind you. Bookeen, just fix the problem in the firmware upgrade, will you?

But it's not Bookeen's fault. It's the fault of the people who laid out the book for use in Mobipocket. What I'd have done is create a series of interim pages. For example:

Old Testament
New Testament

then clicking on either would bring up a set of new pages with the various books - taking OT for example

Genesis
Leviticus
...
Psalms
...

Clicking on Psalms would bring up a page with a listing similar to:

Psalms 1 - 30
Psalms 31 - 60
...
Psalms 121-150

Clicking on Psalms 121-150 would bring up a few rows of chapters:

121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130
...
141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150

Using this method, you'd be able to get to Psalms 150 with fewer than 20 or so clicks.

In fact, I did something similar for a fiction work that had parts and chapters - with the chapters restarting with "1" in each part.

Derek

Sparrow · 02-10-2008, 02:13 PM

I'm probably misunderstanding - but couldn't you increase the font to spread the links over multiple screens and then page through them in batches?

Justy · 02-10-2008, 02:49 PM

The other option is to start at the bottom of the page. I have found that, when I'm at a page of links, I can click "up" and start at the bottom of the list of links. This would save a lot of clicks when going to choice 105 out of 150.

dso371 · 02-10-2008, 03:06 PM

Sparrow and Justy - your solutions certainly help, thanks! It requires some experimentation with the right font size, which takes a few taps, but once I got it right, then in combination with starting at the bottom of the page I could get to 105 in a handful of taps. Thank you!

Still, Bookeen must be able to update the firmware to make the buttons more functional, allowing freer, more cursor-like movement. Surely that's not too much to ask?

David

wallcraft · 02-10-2008, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Justy

The other option is to start at the bottom of the page. I have found that, when I'm at a page of links, I can click "up" and start at the bottom of the list of links.

This appears to be a standard feature of MobiPocket Reader software - it works under Windows for example (although you then have the option of using a mouse rather than the cursor keys). Under Windows, holding an arrow key down does autorepeat as you would expect (probably a Windows feature).

Prospect · 02-11-2008, 02:44 AM

The auto-repeat function is a pretty standard feature found in most consumer electronics and or software I have used over the years. The only device (ranging from my microwave to my Mac) lacking this function that I can think of is the Cybook.

This is not only a TOC issue, but applies to all navigation on the device. Has anybody tried using the lookup function? Or tried moving from the first to the last book in the library?

The lack of auto-repeat on the Cybook is particularity bad because of the buttons being so hard to push.

The good news is that this is something that would be really easy to fix, and since we believe in Bookeen we know they will sort this out.

Ortep · 02-11-2008, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Prospect

Has anybody tried using the lookup function? Or tried moving from the first to the last book in the library?

Yes, and Yes

I have a dictionary that I use frequentely. Most of the time I can select a word within 10 pushes. The pointer starts at the left top position. If the word you need is at the lower part of the page, push 'up' and you start from the bottom. If it is on the right side of the page, push 'left' and you are at the right side of the page. This system makes that you can be on the correct quart of the page in max 2 pushes. On the average you need only one. I do not want auto repeat here. The danger of overshooting is very real when you only need 4-5 pushes before you have to change direction

I have about 80 books in the library with 5 books on a page. That makes 16 pages. So I can find the average book in 8+3 pushes. But that is something that happens only once every few days. It can be solved bij a better folder structure.

Prospect · 02-11-2008, 03:24 AM

Ortep;

Are you saying that you would prefer Bookeen not adding an auto-repeat function?

HarryT · 02-11-2008, 03:26 AM

I share your views, Ortep; I have, at present, 94 books in my library and make frequent use of a dictionary (Chambers). Neither cause me any particular issues.

Ortep · 02-11-2008, 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prospect

Ortep;

Are you saying that you would prefer Bookeen not adding an auto-repeat function?

No, but is extremely low on my list.

More important to me are:

Virtual Folder support. So I can group books by author, language, subject etc.

And of course having the option to redefine the buttons. So I can, for example, use the volume buttons to increase and decrease the font size. Or to have dedicated button to select the dictionary

Prospect · 02-11-2008, 04:27 AM

I agree that there are other issues like stability and folders higher on the list. Auto-repeat should however not be to hard to implement and since it most likely is a part of the API used by Bookeen for the development it is kind of strange that the "feature" is not already in the device.

tompe · 02-11-2008, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Prospect

I agree that there are other issues like stability and folders higher on the list. Auto-repeat should however not be to hard to implement and since it most likely is a part of the API used by Bookeen for the development it is kind of strange that the "feature" is not already in the device.

I think it is on purpose. At least the simple way to implement auto-repeat will not work since the feedback is so slow. So to implement auto-repeat you have to synchronize with the display and that makes it much more complicated if it is possible at all.

Prospect · 02-11-2008, 08:31 AM

I did not think of that...

But even a slow auto-repeat would be better than no auto-repeat? Or if repeat is to difficult becuase of the slow feedback what about
short press = 1 jump
some kind of longer press = 5 jumps
long press = 20 jumps

or someting simmilar.

JSWolf · 02-20-2008, 12:14 PM

Just to let you know, the 505 works the same way. It does not have repeat when you hold down the buttons.

02-10-2008, 03:06 PM	#20
dso371 Enthusiast Posts: 36 Karma: 13 Join Date: Feb 2008 Device: Bookeen Cybook Gen 3	Sparrow and Justy Sparrow and Justy - your solutions certainly help, thanks! It requires some experimentation with the right font size, which takes a few taps, but once I got it right, then in combination with starting at the bottom of the page I could get to 105 in a handful of taps. Thank you! Still, Bookeen must be able to update the firmware to make the buttons more functional, allowing freer, more cursor-like movement. Surely that's not too much to ask? David Last edited by dso371; 02-10-2008 at 03:13 PM.

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02-10-2008, 02:13 PM	#18
Sparrow Wizard Posts: 4,395 Karma: 1358132 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: UK Device: Palm TX, CyBook Gen3	I'm probably misunderstanding - but couldn't you increase the font to spread the links over multiple screens and then page through them in batches?

02-10-2008, 02:49 PM	#19
Justy Fanatic Posts: 547 Karma: 27509 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Greater Vancouver Area, BC, Canada Device: Nexus 7, Sony Xperia z3 tablet, Kobo Glo, Boyue T63	The other option is to start at the bottom of the page. I have found that, when I'm at a page of links, I can click "up" and start at the bottom of the list of links. This would save a lot of clicks when going to choice 105 out of 150.

02-11-2008, 02:44 AM	#22
Prospect Other Posts: 143 Karma: 644 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Norway Device: Cybook, Kindle	The auto-repeat function is a pretty standard feature found in most consumer electronics and or software I have used over the years. The only device (ranging from my microwave to my Mac) lacking this function that I can think of is the Cybook. This is not only a TOC issue, but applies to all navigation on the device. Has anybody tried using the lookup function? Or tried moving from the first to the last book in the library? The lack of auto-repeat on the Cybook is particularity bad because of the buttons being so hard to push. The good news is that this is something that would be really easy to fix, and since we believe in Bookeen we know they will sort this out.

02-11-2008, 03:24 AM	#24
Prospect Other Posts: 143 Karma: 644 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Norway Device: Cybook, Kindle	Ortep; Are you saying that you would prefer Bookeen not adding an auto-repeat function?

02-11-2008, 03:26 AM	#25
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	I share your views, Ortep; I have, at present, 94 books in my library and make frequent use of a dictionary (Chambers). Neither cause me any particular issues.

02-11-2008, 04:27 AM	#27
Prospect Other Posts: 143 Karma: 644 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Norway Device: Cybook, Kindle	I agree that there are other issues like stability and folders higher on the list. Auto-repeat should however not be to hard to implement and since it most likely is a part of the API used by Bookeen for the development it is kind of strange that the "feature" is not already in the device.

02-11-2008, 08:31 AM	#29
Prospect Other Posts: 143 Karma: 644 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Norway Device: Cybook, Kindle	I did not think of that... But even a slow auto-repeat would be better than no auto-repeat? Or if repeat is to difficult becuase of the slow feedback what about short press = 1 jump some kind of longer press = 5 jumps long press = 20 jumps or someting simmilar.

02-20-2008, 12:14 PM	#30
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,291 Karma: 145488788 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	Just to let you know, the 505 works the same way. It does not have repeat when you hold down the buttons.

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