K4 Trivial Questions - Sleep vs. Turn Off? - Page 2

geekmaster · 07-12-2012, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jswinden

Well hopefully we didn't totally confuse the OP who is probably a new Kindle owner...

At least we answered his question #1 in a way that we can all agree on. Oh... Wait... We did not tell him which was better.

oommggwwttff · 07-12-2012, 07:02 PM

Yes, you guys have answered my question.

But what if you're going 2-3 days without reading? Should it be turned off (Or should I say, mostly off)?

jswinden · 07-12-2012, 07:35 PM

I've left mine in sleep mode for weeks. Really no reason to turn it completely off unless you will not be using it for several weeks.

Jeanphi · 07-13-2012, 12:49 AM

Good morning,

Just a small problem. I posted here as my question has to do with "sleep"

I just noticed that my Keyboard Kindle 3 does not got to sleep anymore by itself after 10 mn and when I briefly move the power button, there is not action.

It means the screen stays on the last read page, whatever it is. Home, or the page of a book.

So far, I didn't notice any other problems.

Is there a simple solution or should I forget about the problem and keep on reading my books, forgetting the access to the screensavers ?

Thank you in advance,

Jeanphi

geekmaster · 07-13-2012, 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeanphi

Good morning,

Just a small problem. I posted here as my question has to do with "sleep"

I just noticed that my Keyboard Kindle 3 does not got to sleep anymore by itself after 10 mn and when I briefly move the power button, there is not action.

It means the screen stays on the last read page, whatever it is. Home, or the page of a book.

So far, I didn't notice any other problems.

Is there a simple solution or should I forget about the problem and keep on reading my books, forgetting the access to the screensavers ?

Thank you in advance,

Jeanphi

There is no real difference between sleep and awake, other than when asleep the buttons are disabled, and a screensaver image is displayed. When the kindle is sitting idle, it is drawing almost no power (even when awake). Most power consumption occurs while drawing to the eink display (or when the CPU is busy for long periods, such as when indexing books). When wireless is on, it draws more power, so you may want to disable that (or enable airplane mode), to conserve battery power.

Although not a serious problem, if you want to fix it, you should ask in the Dev Corner forum. Others have had this problem, and there are various ways that it has been solved. In the very worst case, you can restore a known good system image to it (documented in the Dev Corner "simple debricking" sticky thread). Members there would be glad to help you solve you problem.

Or you could just live with it, as it really just a minor annoyance (unless it really does discharge your battery too fast).

HarryT · 07-13-2012, 02:13 AM

Unless you've been making mods to your Kindle's firmware, whatever the problem is, a factory reset should fix it. You'll need to reload your content, so make a copy of the "documents" folder first.

Jeanphi · 07-13-2012, 11:01 AM

Thank you for your answers.
As Geekmaster said, this is just a minor annoyance and I think I will live with it.

Beeing very happy with the Kindle as it was, I haven't try to tinker with it, so I don't even know how to do a factory reset (don't worry, I'm sure I can find the information, if I look for it).

Jeanphi

HarryT · 07-13-2012, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeanphi

Thank you for your answers.
As Geekmaster said, this is just a minor annoyance and I think I will live with it.

Beeing very happy with the Kindle as it was, I haven't try to tinker with it, so I don't even know how to do a factory reset (don't worry, I'm sure I can find the information, if I look for it).

Jeanphi

From the Home screen, press "Menu" and select "Settings". Then press "Menu" again, and select "Reset to Factory Defaults" from the menu.

You may as well try it - you have nothing to lose.

Jeanphi · 07-14-2012, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

You may as well try it - you have nothing to lose.

Thank you.

Just to loose my collections and books. But I suppose if I save every file on the computer which are on the Kindle (Documents, Music, System, ...), I should be able to put them back.

Jeanphi

HarryT · 07-14-2012, 10:05 AM

Yes, that's right.

Jeanphi · 07-14-2012, 01:54 PM

Well, I was just ready to do this factory reset, when my Kindle just went to sleep by itself, having stayed "awake" for around 5 days.

So there was a glitch somewhere which disappeared.

Anyway thank you very much,

Jeanphi

ApK · 07-14-2012, 06:19 PM

The OPs issue sounds like self-solving problem. If you leave wifi on, and just leave the Kindle alone for a week or two, the battery will completely drain, and the unit will be 100% OFF with no current left maintain anything, as evidence by the long tree-boy boot when you go to use again!
I've accidentally followed this use pattern myself several times, I had not realized people wanted to do it on purpose. :-)

I'm not seriously recommending this...this is REALLY bad battery management and would shorten the life of the battery a lot.

geekmaster · 07-14-2012, 08:12 PM

I have had two of my kindles discharge so far that it took some serious debricking methods just to get them to charge again. No actual changes had to be made to the kindle. Just trick into into charging (barely) enough to get it to boot to fastboot mode (with MfgTool) when you could get a full recharge rather quickly.

The battery charger is (mostly) software based, and the bootloader depends on the battery having enough charge to boot the device (even when plugged in).

Normal boot mode will power down before the battery is dangerously low, but if you leave it in diags mode, it can COMPLETELY drain the battery in a way that is not healthy for it. I know this from experience (more than once). And the kindle is essentially bricked (by all appearances) in that condition.

ApK · 07-14-2012, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by geekmaster

but if you leave it in diags mode, it can COMPLETELY drain the battery in a way that is not healthy for it. I know this from experience (more than once). And the kindle is essentially bricked (by all appearances) in that condition.

The things geeks have to worry about, these days!
Remember back in the old days when we just had remember if we left the iron on?

(Soldering iron, that is.)

Bricorn · 07-15-2012, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Unless you've been making mods to your Kindle's firmware, whatever the problem is, a factory reset should fix it. You'll need to reload your content, so make a copy of the "documents" folder first.

If you copy the documents folder and put it back after a reset, how does it treat DRM'd books? Does it recognise that they're back where they belong and let you read them, or do they need to be re-downloaded?

Thanks

07-13-2012, 12:49 AM	#19
Jeanphi Member Posts: 21 Karma: 19930 Join Date: Jul 2011 Device: Former user of ZX81. Kindle e ink	My KK doesn't go to sleep anymore Good morning, Just a small problem. I posted here as my question has to do with "sleep" I just noticed that my Keyboard Kindle 3 does not got to sleep anymore by itself after 10 mn and when I briefly move the power button, there is not action. It means the screen stays on the last read page, whatever it is. Home, or the page of a book. So far, I didn't notice any other problems. Is there a simple solution or should I forget about the problem and keep on reading my books, forgetting the access to the screensavers ? Thank you in advance, Jeanphi

07-13-2012, 11:01 AM	#22
Jeanphi Member Posts: 21 Karma: 19930 Join Date: Jul 2011 Device: Former user of ZX81. Kindle e ink	Thank you for your answers. As Geekmaster said, this is just a minor annoyance and I think I will live with it. Beeing very happy with the Kindle as it was, I haven't try to tinker with it, so I don't even know how to do a factory reset (don't worry, I'm sure I can find the information, if I look for it). Jeanphi Last edited by Jeanphi; 07-13-2012 at 11:02 AM. Reason: spelling mistake

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07-12-2012, 07:02 PM	#17
oommggwwttff Junior Member Posts: 4 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jul 2012 Device: none	Yes, you guys have answered my question. But what if you're going 2-3 days without reading? Should it be turned off (Or should I say, mostly off)?

07-12-2012, 07:35 PM	#18
jswinden Nameless Being	I've left mine in sleep mode for weeks. Really no reason to turn it completely off unless you will not be using it for several weeks.

07-13-2012, 02:13 AM	#21
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Unless you've been making mods to your Kindle's firmware, whatever the problem is, a factory reset should fix it. You'll need to reload your content, so make a copy of the "documents" folder first.

07-14-2012, 10:05 AM	#25
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Yes, that's right.

07-14-2012, 01:54 PM	#26
Jeanphi Member Posts: 21 Karma: 19930 Join Date: Jul 2011 Device: Former user of ZX81. Kindle e ink	Well, I was just ready to do this factory reset, when my Kindle just went to sleep by itself, having stayed "awake" for around 5 days. So there was a glitch somewhere which disappeared. Anyway thank you very much, Jeanphi

07-14-2012, 06:19 PM	#27
ApK Award-Winning Participant Posts: 7,389 Karma: 68329346 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: NJ, USA Device: Kindle	The OPs issue sounds like self-solving problem. If you leave wifi on, and just leave the Kindle alone for a week or two, the battery will completely drain, and the unit will be 100% OFF with no current left maintain anything, as evidence by the long tree-boy boot when you go to use again! I've accidentally followed this use pattern myself several times, I had not realized people wanted to do it on purpose. :-) I'm not seriously recommending this...this is REALLY bad battery management and would shorten the life of the battery a lot.

07-14-2012, 08:12 PM	#28
geekmaster Carpe diem, c'est la vie. Posts: 6,433 Karma: 10773670 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Multiverse 6627A Device: K1 to PW3	I have had two of my kindles discharge so far that it took some serious debricking methods just to get them to charge again. No actual changes had to be made to the kindle. Just trick into into charging (barely) enough to get it to boot to fastboot mode (with MfgTool) when you could get a full recharge rather quickly. The battery charger is (mostly) software based, and the bootloader depends on the battery having enough charge to boot the device (even when plugged in). Normal boot mode will power down before the battery is dangerously low, but if you leave it in diags mode, it can COMPLETELY drain the battery in a way that is not healthy for it. I know this from experience (more than once). And the kindle is essentially bricked (by all appearances) in that condition.

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