Nokia N95 8GB VS iPhone Apple 8GB - Page 2

cmbs · 01-16-2008, 03:04 PM

I've just had a thought, and it's amusingly ironic.

It's that Apple must have an excellent understanding of what it takes to make their product popular- their ad campaigns are perfect proof. They understand as well as I do that people buy what's popular, and have a much greater understanding than I of what it takes to become that elusive thing - popular.

sfernald · 01-16-2008, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmbs

You have completely missed my point.

Now the only question is whether your desire to stick to your word is srtonger than your desire have the last word and prove me wrong.

Quite the quandary.
I'm going to make some popcorn.

Ok, let's let someone else intervene. I'd like for some other user to respond. Do you believe this to be the case this:

Originally Posted by cmbs View Post
"People will buy what's popular. Period. Sales prove only that you have a popular product or a popular name brand."

And not only that, but that sales has no bearing whatsoever on whether the product is good or not. This seems to be the argument that cmbs is making.

Does anyone else believe this to be the case? That there is no argument to be made, for example, that the Wii is a better product than the GameCube was and that the huge sales difference is not indicative of this?

cmbs · 01-16-2008, 03:21 PM

Ever hear of a pet rock?

Honestly, all kidding aside, if you'd just lose the defensive posture and think about it you'd learn something useful.

Even if you choose the popular thing for the status it brings, own it. Stop being a sheep.

sfernald · 01-16-2008, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmbs

I've just had a thought, and it's amusingly ironic.

It's that Apple must have an excellent understanding of what it takes to make their product popular- their ad campaigns are perfect proof. They understand as well as I do that people buy what's popular, and have a much greater understanding than I of what it takes to become that elusive thing - popular.

Ok, I see now. You are just an Apple hater. That's fine. Nevermind.

Just for your information, Apple products are not always popular. Look at the Apple TV. That thing was a turd when it was announced. Everyone knew it was a turd except for Apple. At this MacWorld, they announced that they realized it was a turd and that it didn't sell, but now they are trying to sell Turd Take 2. Now maybe it will really be better, but I have my doubts.

Believe me, I'm not an apple loyalist by any means, and anyone that is is a fool in my opinion. Judge each product on its own merits not by brand, that's my belief.

cmbs · 01-16-2008, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sfernald

Ok, I see now. You are just an Apple hater. That's fine. Nevermind.

Just for your information, Apple products are not always popular. Look at the Apple TV. That thing was a turd when it was announced. Everyone knew it was a turd except for Apple. At this MacWorld, they announced that they realized it was a turd and that it didn't sell, but now they are trying to sell Turd Take 2. Now maybe it will really be better, but I have my doubts.

Believe me, I'm not an apple loyalist by any means, and anyone that is is a fool in my opinion. Judge each product on its own merits not by brand, that's my belief.

This is hilarious. I am not an Apple hater. I don't give a damn about Apple one way or the other. They must love you, you're exactly what they want. My Lord. I am only concerned about your belief that high volume sales proves a quality product. I am trying to teach you something you'd do yourself a favor to learn. But you're too stubborn.

cmbs · 01-16-2008, 04:39 PM

Oh my gosh, another amusingly ironic realization:

That you want others to give their opinions. Of course you would, you are clearly swayed by popular opinion!

It's perfect.

JSWolf · 01-16-2008, 05:14 PM

I don't hate Apple. I just know that the N95 is a better all around phone then the iPhone. It has nothing to do with the iPhone being from Apple or not. It has to do with the fact that the iPhone is just plain not as good.

cmbs · 01-16-2008, 06:20 PM

Pet Rocks were a 1970s fad conceived in Los Gatos, California by an advertising executive, Gary Dahl. The first Pet Rocks were ordinary gray pebbles bought at a builder's supply store and marketed as if they were live pets. The fad lasted only about six months, ending with the Christmas season in December 1975; but in its short run, the Pet Rock made Dahl a millionaire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pet_rock

petermillard · 01-17-2008, 04:16 AM

So, Ryanjone, as you can see it's a hot topic, and highly emotive. Lots of opinion on here presented as fact.

To help you decide, here are a few questions you might like to address:-

Where in the world are you? Different price plans, services and facilities are available in different countries, and not necessarily for both phones - does this matter to you?

Do you have a particular leaning/loathing of either company (Nokia or Apple) as this will inevitably sway your opinion one way or the other.

Are there particular features that you need now, or may need in future - GPS connection, for example, or a tolerable camera.

How 'smart' do you want the phone to be? Is access to emails and internet enough, or is there something more - an eBook reader, perhaps?

Do you need a phone right now, or is this a purchase to be made in the next 3/6 weeks/months/whatever.

All of the above (and probably a few more I haven't included) will affect your buying decision - your buying decision remember; all we can hope to do is guide you by giving our opinions and experiences.

For the record, I have an iPhone. I find it very good - it does exactly what it's meant to do, simply, easily and elegantly. I'm a 47-year old carpenter/handyman in west London, so as you may imagine my days of 'fashion accessories' are long gone. But yes, I like good quality tools that work as advertised and save me time, and I'm not totally opposed to a bit of 'bling' - my customers (shallow, callow media and publishing folk, mostly) seem to like it...

I haven't used (really used, rather than 'played with' for a week) a Nokia phone for many years as I felt the interface was poor; as phones became more complex, this interface in my opinion, hasn't improved. FWIW, my wife has an N95 (through work) and seems happy enough with it, though her needs for 'smartness' in a phone are modest, as are mine. She still hasn't managed to get the Nokia software to work on her PC yet, though.

Post-Nokia I've used mostly Sony-Ericsson phones and briefly, a Blackberry. The Sony-Ericsson's were good, the Blackberry a dog; iPhone is far, far better than either, in my opinion.

But, you pays your money, makes your choice. Do some research. Try each phone out, see which suits you. Work out the overall costs. And let us know what you choose; I'd be interested in hearing your reasoning.

Cheers, Pete.

tompe · 01-17-2008, 06:19 AM

If you are going to use it to connect a laptop to the net the N95 seems to be much better.

AdrianWerner · 01-19-2008, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sfernald

It has more features. But it's not a better phone. Apple has sold 4 million iphones. How many N95s have been sold?

N95 sold 4 million by end of Q3

, mightly impressive considering it's just one of oh...so many Nokia phones

My advice between those two:
Iphone has better interface and bigger screen.
N95 has better everything else.
Especialy since to really make use of iPhone you need to jailbreak it.

You might just want to wait for new Nokia phone, they were showing something like iphone as CES

ElaHuguet · 01-20-2008, 05:51 AM

I haven't played with an iPhone, but have tried an LG Prada. I work in the telecomm. area for our corporation, and handle our mobile phone needs (among other stuff). I really liked the Prada, I also like the N95, but as I say to our users, what do you want it for/what do you need it to do? For my boss, the IT dept. boss, I would never suggest he use the Prada, he goes for HTC models (which are more like the N95), but for our Big Boss, the corp. owner, I ordered a Prada for him to try out (the iPhone isn't available yet through our operator in Spain), and never even thought of him using an N95 (he doesn't use smartphones, he uses smart secretaries!). If I had to buy one for myself, I'd get the Prada/iPhone (I don't really use the email-syncing and other business-related uses a smartphone has, hehe), although for basic phone use, I always choose Nokia.

Fiona · 12-12-2009, 05:33 AM

I haven't used an iphone, but have used Mobiopcket on a N95 8GB and it's very easy to install the software and pretty simple to shift ebooks onto the phone in data transfer mode. I read on mine every day, whenever I've got a couple of minutes or more in downtime (in a lift, on a bus). My choice was easy, because I found a cheap N95 on eBay (A$400 outright). Much cheaper than I could ever have found an iphone in Australia. And the N95 is also a good phone, reasonable size screen, good keypad.

01-16-2008, 03:21 PM	#18
cmbs non-believer Posts: 384 Karma: 713 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Device: Cybook Gen 3, JetBook Lite	Ever hear of a pet rock? Honestly, all kidding aside, if you'd just lose the defensive posture and think about it you'd learn something useful. Even if you choose the popular thing for the status it brings, own it. Stop being a sheep. Last edited by cmbs; 01-16-2008 at 03:24 PM.

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01-16-2008, 03:04 PM	#16
cmbs non-believer Posts: 384 Karma: 713 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Device: Cybook Gen 3, JetBook Lite	I've just had a thought, and it's amusingly ironic. It's that Apple must have an excellent understanding of what it takes to make their product popular- their ad campaigns are perfect proof. They understand as well as I do that people buy what's popular, and have a much greater understanding than I of what it takes to become that elusive thing - popular.

01-16-2008, 04:39 PM	#21
cmbs non-believer Posts: 384 Karma: 713 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Device: Cybook Gen 3, JetBook Lite	Oh my gosh, another amusingly ironic realization: That you want others to give their opinions. Of course you would, you are clearly swayed by popular opinion! It's perfect.

01-16-2008, 05:14 PM	#22
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,792 Karma: 146391129 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	I don't hate Apple. I just know that the N95 is a better all around phone then the iPhone. It has nothing to do with the iPhone being from Apple or not. It has to do with the fact that the iPhone is just plain not as good.

01-16-2008, 06:20 PM	#23
cmbs non-believer Posts: 384 Karma: 713 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Device: Cybook Gen 3, JetBook Lite	Pet Rocks were a 1970s fad conceived in Los Gatos, California by an advertising executive, Gary Dahl. The first Pet Rocks were ordinary gray pebbles bought at a builder's supply store and marketed as if they were live pets. The fad lasted only about six months, ending with the Christmas season in December 1975; but in its short run, the Pet Rock made Dahl a millionaire. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pet_rock

01-17-2008, 04:16 AM	#24
petermillard Evangelist Posts: 496 Karma: 2384998 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: London, UK Device: iPad, iPhone, K3 & Amazon - between them they cover my needs.	So, Ryanjone, as you can see it's a hot topic, and highly emotive. Lots of opinion on here presented as fact. To help you decide, here are a few questions you might like to address:- Where in the world are you? Different price plans, services and facilities are available in different countries, and not necessarily for both phones - does this matter to you? Do you have a particular leaning/loathing of either company (Nokia or Apple) as this will inevitably sway your opinion one way or the other. Are there particular features that you need now, or may need in future - GPS connection, for example, or a tolerable camera. How 'smart' do you want the phone to be? Is access to emails and internet enough, or is there something more - an eBook reader, perhaps? Do you need a phone right now, or is this a purchase to be made in the next 3/6 weeks/months/whatever. All of the above (and probably a few more I haven't included) will affect your buying decision - *your* buying decision remember; all we can hope to do is guide you by giving our opinions and experiences. For the record, I have an iPhone. I find it very good - it does exactly what it's meant to do, simply, easily and elegantly. I'm a 47-year old carpenter/handyman in west London, so as you may imagine my days of 'fashion accessories' are long gone. But yes, I like good quality tools that work as advertised and save me time, and I'm not totally opposed to a bit of 'bling' - my customers (shallow, callow media and publishing folk, mostly) seem to like it... I haven't used (really used, rather than 'played with' for a week) a Nokia phone for many years as I felt the interface was poor; as phones became more complex, this interface in my opinion, hasn't improved. FWIW, my wife has an N95 (through work) and seems happy enough with it, though her needs for 'smartness' in a phone are modest, as are mine. She still hasn't managed to get the Nokia software to work on her PC yet, though. Post-Nokia I've used mostly Sony-Ericsson phones and briefly, a Blackberry. The Sony-Ericsson's were good, the Blackberry a dog; iPhone is far, far better than either, in my opinion. But, you pays your money, makes your choice. Do some research. Try each phone out, see which suits you. Work out the overall costs. And let us know what you choose; I'd be interested in hearing your reasoning. Cheers, Pete.

01-17-2008, 06:19 AM	#25
tompe Grand Sorcerer Posts: 7,452 Karma: 7185064 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Linköpng, Sweden Device: Kindle Voyage, Nexus 5, Kindle PW	If you are going to use it to connect a laptop to the net the N95 seems to be much better.

01-20-2008, 05:51 AM	#27
ElaHuguet iLiad freak Posts: 339 Karma: 243 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Mallorca, Spain Device: iRex iLiad	I haven't played with an iPhone, but have tried an LG Prada. I work in the telecomm. area for our corporation, and handle our mobile phone needs (among other stuff). I really liked the Prada, I also like the N95, but as I say to our users, what do you want it for/what do you need it to do? For my boss, the IT dept. boss, I would never suggest he use the Prada, he goes for HTC models (which are more like the N95), but for our Big Boss, the corp. owner, I ordered a Prada for him to try out (the iPhone isn't available yet through our operator in Spain), and never even thought of him using an N95 (he doesn't use smartphones, he uses smart secretaries!). If I had to buy one for myself, I'd get the Prada/iPhone (I don't really use the email-syncing and other business-related uses a smartphone has, hehe), although for basic phone use, I always choose Nokia.

12-12-2009, 05:33 AM	#28
Fiona Member Posts: 13 Karma: 380 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Australia Device: Mobi for Nokia N95; Hanlin V3; Sony PRS350; Kindle for Android	I haven't used an iphone, but have used Mobiopcket on a N95 8GB and it's very easy to install the software and pretty simple to shift ebooks onto the phone in data transfer mode. I read on mine every day, whenever I've got a couple of minutes or more in downtime (in a lift, on a bus). My choice was easy, because I found a cheap N95 on eBay (A$400 outright). Much cheaper than I could ever have found an iphone in Australia. And the N95 is also a good phone, reasonable size screen, good keypad.

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