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Old 04-11-2012, 06:02 PM   #16
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A win-win situation would be to do away with DRM entirely. Then publishers wouldn't pay the Adobe tax ($0.22 on every ADE ebook sale), and readers could move between different ebook readers with ease, and Amazon could adopt ePub.
I wouldn't be too sure about that. The 22c fee per sale is for using Adobe Content Server, not for the DRM per se. Even in the absence of DRM, a bookstore is going to need some kind of content delivery system, and ACS is really all there is out there.
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Old 04-11-2012, 09:36 PM   #17
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I thought the the reason Amazon developed their own format & DRM was so they wouldn't have to pay Adobe. IMHO, if there is not DRM, format doesn't matter so much.
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Old 04-12-2012, 01:45 AM   #18
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I thought the the reason Amazon developed their own format & DRM was so they wouldn't have to pay Adobe. IMHO, if there is not DRM, format doesn't matter so much.
No, Amazon bought Mobipocket before ePub existed.
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I wouldn't be too sure about that. The 22c fee per sale is for using Adobe Content Server, not for the DRM per se. Even in the absence of DRM, a bookstore is going to need some kind of content delivery system, and ACS is really all there is out there.
Not sure about that Harry, DRM free ePubs seem to come direct from the bookstore - Not via ACS (At least I always end up with a direct download for an epub without going through ADE).

So that would seem to mean that at least Amazon, Kobo, B&N, Fictionwise, BooksOnBoard, Baen, Harlequin and anyone else that does DRM free files already has a delivery system and would just need the ePubs from the publishers to be ready to go (In fact it's probably only Waterstones that can't deal with it straight off the bat & as they seem to be in discussion with B&N over a number of things I doubt it would take long to get up to speed).
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I wouldn't be too sure about that. The 22c fee per sale is for using Adobe Content Server, not for the DRM per se. Even in the absence of DRM, a bookstore is going to need some kind of content delivery system, and ACS is really all there is out there.
I really don't see that any electronic delivery system can justify that kind of price per item without DRM.
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I wouldn't be too sure about that. The 22c fee per sale is for using Adobe Content Server, not for the DRM per se. Even in the absence of DRM, a bookstore is going to need some kind of content delivery system, and ACS is really all there is out there.
Then I guess all those direct download epub's in my download folders are really file errors?
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Old 04-12-2012, 11:06 AM   #22
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To get on topic...Adam & Eve

But, I have gotten direct downloaded even from some libraries when the ePub in question had no DRM. And besides, since they can do downloads of the ACSM file, there's no reason it should not be easy enough to change the code to direct download the ePub instead.
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Old 04-14-2012, 11:37 AM   #23
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For anybody interested, 'The Box' by Marc Levinson, Princeton U P, 2006, isbn 9781400828586 recounts the development of containerisation, albeit mainly with reference to the USA. Available as ePub.
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Old 04-14-2012, 12:15 PM   #24
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ePub is spelled ePub with a small e, capitol P, small u and small b. ePub
Shouldn't the organization that defines the standard (International Digital Publishing Forum) get to choose how its spelled? According to their website (http://idpf.org/epub), it's "EPUB". (Although, confusingly, the text associated with the logo is "ePUB".)
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This is how standards are defined. You can't make one by asking for it. VHS and BluRay won hard battles. BluRay beat HD-DVD but wound up losing the war because they got overtaken by streaming. LaserDisc won over VideoDisc and VCD, but only briefly. MiniDisc did well in Europe but not here. CDMA did well here, but not in Europe.

For a long time, Apple won the digital audio war. Not that their AAC out-ran MP3, but it out-earned it. But that time came and then went.

Amazon is easily winning the e-book standards war. Even with me. I honestly don't mind that I have to use the Kindle reading software, and I have a massive dead-tree library in my den of seldom-reread books (exceptions are comics - e.g. Bloom County - and escapist humor such as Pratchett and Gaiman.) So it just doesn't matter as much as the convenience. And by the time it does matter, it will be easily breakable.
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For a long time, Apple won the digital audio war. Not that their AAC out-ran MP3, but it out-earned it.
AAC doesn't belong to Apple; it's a standard. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_Coding
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MiniDisc did well in Europe but not here.
MiniDisc (and DAT) were killed by the media companies imposing ridiculous copy protection schemes on them.
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BlueRay beat off HDDVD because Sony paid a shed load of money to the studios for exclusivity of film releases.

If the same thing happened in the publishing world........ Like it or not Amazon is the de facto standard and with a disinterested Sony who else can take on the might of Amazon? Only one that springs to mind is Google......
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