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Old 01-19-2012, 02:06 PM   #16
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So many POVs about which to get.

The way I see it now is that if I get a Kindle Touch, I will have to sideload any unDRMed book with Calibre and enjoy Amazon buys in their original format. If I get the Nook ST, I will have to extract the books from the Kindle for PC app and unDRM and sideload them, unless I decide to root the device, install the Kindle app and live with the full and double page refreshes(which will eat up more battery life). Or I can use CoolReader instead of the Kindle app to read the unDRMed amazon books.

Damn it, both options seem equally attractive. And I won't consider the option of buying both and return one of them.



Someone should hack the Kindle app to make it eink friendly.
Can I sideload any unDRMed book to the Kindle Touch using Calibre?
With all respect.

I think you are focusing too much on the device, and not the online store. After all, you are getting a device to read books. So you must have some reliable source to buy those prior using the reader.

Check Amazon ... check B&N ... validate titles, prices, even the website interface. If you find B&N having more titles you like and better prices, get the Nook and forget about Amazon. If you like Amazon store and prices, get the Kindle.

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With all respect.

I think you are focusing too much on the device, and not the online store. After all, you are getting a device to read books. So you must have some reliable source to buy those prior using the reader.

Check Amazon ... check B&N ... validate titles, prices, even the website interface. If you find B&N having more titles you like and better prices, get the Nook and forget about Amazon. If you like Amazon store and prices, get the Kindle.

I'd agree, IF DRMed content from either Amazon or B&N is what they intend to be reading, IF that buy-from-the-device integration is important, and if they, for any reason, do not want to strip DRM or shift formats.
Then yes, pick the store, and pick the best of the available devices that let you easily buy from that store.

But IF they will reading mostly from Smashwords, Baen, PG, the MR library, etc, or if they expect to strip and shift (that sounds a little dirty) from anywhere, THEN the ergonomics, performance and other aspects of the hardware should take precedence. You have to actually hold and look at the thing, no matter where your books come from so you'd better like the holding and looking experience.

For example, I love getting stuff to read from Amazon, but if my only choices were a Kindle touch or a Nook STR, I'd buy the Nook because I NEED those page turn buttons.

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Old 01-19-2012, 04:08 PM   #18
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With all respect.

I think you are focusing too much on the device, and not the online store. After all, you are getting a device to read books. So you must have some reliable source to buy those prior using the reader.

Check Amazon ... check B&N ... validate titles, prices, even the website interface. If you find B&N having more titles you like and better prices, get the Nook and forget about Amazon. If you like Amazon store and prices, get the Kindle.

I appreciate your advice, and all of you guys who have given me something to think about.

I guess we could opt for the Kindle Touch and given that any format can be converted into an unDRMed .mobi, then she can easily enjoy the kindle selection, while using Calibre once in a while to sideload other books. If this assumption is right, then Kindle Touch is our best choice.
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I have had the nook touch, kindle touch and Sony T1. I returned the KT due to heavy ghosting even though I selected refresh every page and the ghosting was significant. I returned the NT when they updated it so I couldn't use the web pages any more. I like to look stuff up on wiki, google, etc. while I am reading.

The Sony T1 has the best library setup of the 3 with a software library button you can use to hook up to your library and download books right from the library's web site (I love this feature as I read a lot of library ebooks). It has the best screen of the three, and although I seldom buy books from Sony, I do use Calibre to convert and read books with AMAZON formats.

Rooting is a pain when updates come through and mess it up so you have to re-root with the new rooting updates. Not worth it IMHO. Target and Best Buy has Sony on display so you can try one out first.

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I returned the KT due to heavy ghosting even though I selected refresh every page and the ghosting was significant.
Your KT was faulty. Mine certainly has no noticeable ghosting.

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They have the SAME screen. There is only one source of screens, and they all use the identically same screen.
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They have the SAME screen. There is only one source of screens, and they all use the identically same screen.
I thought the case had been made around here recently that calibration and contrast tweaking can have a dramatic effect on text appearance, sometimes between specimens of the same model, much less models with entirely different firmware, so while the hardware module might be the same part number, the appearance can be different enough to effectively be a different beast to an end user for all practical purposes.
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I thought the case had been made around here recently that calibration and contrast tweaking can have a dramatic effect on text appearance, sometimes between specimens of the same model, much less models with entirely different firmware, so while the hardware module might be the same part number, the appearance can be different enough to effectively be a different beast to an end user for all practical purposes.
I'm sure you're right, but when I compare the screen of my Kindle Touch side by side to those of the Kobo and the Sony T1 that colleagues at work have, the screens (in terms of the "blackness of the black, and the whiteness of the white") sure look the same to me. There may of course be matters of individual preference when it comes to such issues as the choice of fonts available, but that's a different matter.
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Old 01-20-2012, 10:12 AM   #23
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I think you are focusing too much on the device, and not the online store. After all, you are getting a device to read books. So you must have some reliable source to buy those prior using the reader.
Yup. I buy all my books from Amazon.
It isn't because the have the best devices (I don't own one).
It isn't because their reading app is the best (it isn't, it is very limited in how you can customise it, and has very poor book organisation).
It is because they have the best store and the best collection of free or cheap books.
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Yup. I buy all my books from Amazon.
It isn't because the have the best devices (I don't own one).
It isn't because their reading app is the best (it isn't, it is very limited in how you can customise it, and has very poor book organisation).
It is because they have the best store and the best collection of free or cheap books.
In terms of book organization and maybe available fonts, I think Sony is the best ereader.

However, getting an eink device that is not Kindle, and later buy books from Amazon, it is not a wise decision, in my humble opinion.

Taking the ethical matter out of the conversation, breaking the DRM encryption it's illegal in USA. Also, you won't be able to sync books across devices, which in my opinion is one of the best features.

We're not talking about simple Calibre conversion, but breaking an encryption pattern that can be changed at anytime.

So on my particular case I am willing to sacrifice book's organization and fonts, for not having to break DRM encription each time I buy a book. Plus keeping the ability to sync across devices.

Of course, still we have iPad and Android tablets, but that's another story and those are tablets not eink devices.
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Unless you think your wife, or you, want to consume precious reading time with futzing with formats or hooking it up to a computer and side-loading, I would go with the Kindle, not rooted. It sounds like you are already interested in the Amazon bookstore, and library reading. Both work well with the Kindle.

This forum is filled with tinkerers because that's what we do

But for someone who wants to read, not goof around with formats and downloads and sideloads, go with the simplest method possible. And Amazon has that pretty well done. B&N is a close second, but selection remains an issue with them, and Amazon is working hard to make sure they have the biggest selection, period.
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Taking the ethical matter out of the conversation, breaking the DRM encryption it's illegal in USA. Also, you won't be able to sync books across devices, which in my opinion is one of the best features.
As you well know, the legal issue is far from certain, and the sync feature, for someone with one device, is meaningless.
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As you well know, the legal issue is far from certain, and the sync feature, for someone with one device, is meaningless.
The legal issue is a fact in USA. If you will our won't be prosecuted, that's different. Just try and post instructions here of how to break DRM encryption and you'll see ... your post will be deleted sooner our later ...
Now, having one device makes sync useless, you're right, but still is a hassle having to remove DRM each time you buy from Amazon just to read on the Nook. I just don't get it. Better to buy from B&N directly and keep using the Nook.

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The legal issue is a fact in USA.
With the greatest respect, Jo, that's not the case. Some legal authorities argue that DRM removal is legal in the US; others, that it is not. Nobody will know the answer one way or another until someone is prosecuted and a case reaches a sufficiently high court to make a decision which will act as a legal precedent. It's very definitely a "grey area".
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They way I have read the debate is that it is illegal to build the tools to break DRM but not illegal to use the tools. I could very well be wrong, I am not a lawyer and I did not stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

On top of that, I think that someone would have to be way too interested in peaking into my computer to see if I had removed DRM or not.

I think that the industry and prosecutors are going to go after people who are sharing there books on pirate sites and not the person who is buying the book they want and putting it on their e-reader after removing the DRM and converting the file.

Again, I am not a lawyer and I slept in my own bed last night so my word is no where near law and could be 100% wrong.

This site and others take a hard line about allowing explicit instructions on removing DRM because they are read in many countries and there are some countries that have laws that clearly state that it is illegal to strip DRM. We all respect that so we don't break that rule because we like the folks here and don't want to contribute to the board being shut down. Yeah us.

Other then that, I tend to think of the decision as more of an ethical decision and that the legal decision is to pirate books or not.
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With anything you buy, you should also download Calibre, it's a great program for converting (non-DRM) books to most tablet devices including Kindles.
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