iSuppli: eBook device sales up 108% in 2011

[Andrew H.]

Originally Posted by SeaKing

Hey friend. I am calling it like I see it. I get tired of going over to CNET and hearing them carry that if everyone would just get an iPad we could put all this other sh*t behind us, and live happily ever after.

And CNET isn't anywhere near the only ones.

Call it a build up of resentment that is just boiling over.

Why bring CNET crap here?

And by the way Apple makes fine, though expensive machines that tie people up in the chains of the iTunes store.

But B&N and Kindle don't tie people up in chains?

And Apple's iPad is no more expensive than comparable products, if I may be permitted to confuse the matter with, you know, facts.

The hardware - excellent.
Most of the software - excellent.
The attitude - atrocious.

The chip on the shoulder of most apple haters is far more obnoxious. Including the compulsion to bring Apple into unrelated discussions.

Originally Posted by SeaKing

Realize that most of the crap that was fomented against the Kindle, the Nook, the Kobo, and other dedicated eReaders was from iPad Trolls.

That is right: iPad Trolls.

They believe the big lie told over and over will show that they the Perfect Magic Believers are indeed the chosen of Steve Jobs, the Saint of the Privileged and Self Serving.

1. This is nonsense; people were predicting the demise of e-readers long before the iPad was announced.

2. Why can't you make you point without insults?

So they say "iPad is perfect. Kindle is doomed. iPad is perfect. Kindle is doomed..." After a while they believe it and the media believes it too, and they don't understand that magic is not a quality that Apple can patent!

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Cite? Right, you don't have one.

It is true that many people predicted the demise of the Kindle when the iPad was announced. And they were wrong. But they never claimed that this was because the iPad was perfect; it was primarily because the Kindle was too expensive.

Originally Posted by SeaKing

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Originally Posted by SeaKing View Post
The hardware - excellent.
Most of the software - excellent.
The attitude - atrocious.

The only atrocious attitude I see is that of Apple-haters who attack apple users. Not the products, the users. I attribute it to insecurity, but, regardless, it has no place on these forums IMO.

Sorry guys, it won't wash. Calling me names won't work.

I never attacked the iPad.

No, you attacked its users. Which is backwards - if you think the product is inferior, attack the product.

I just stood up for the "little guys." The Kindles, the Kobo, the Nook. The iPad does what it does, but it is not the comprehensive answer, or even the eReader answer, and some of us don't need it.

And many of us have both.

If you want to call me a hater because I won't allow the bullying that occurs in the media, CNET, etc., and elsewhere, promoting the iPad while casting aspersions on the other eReaders and their users, then I say you are mistaken, and I will call any casting those dispersions trolls.

The only people being bullied are apple users. On MR.

Again, if you have a problem with CNET, deal with it there. I don't see the point of bringing stuff that happens in another forum into *this* forum.

Further now that the Kindle Fire is actually daring to go beyond just being a superior reader, the outrage is growing. The revered precepts are threatened and the iDols are shaking in the temples. The experts can't have been wrong, because they are the experts. There is a lot of teeth gnashing.

Oh, BS. Most of the press has been lauding the Fire as the first Android tablet that might gain mainstream acceptance.

I actually saw where the forecast for iPads for the coming quarters has been reduced. Can you imagine?

This is true. One analyst lowered his iPad sales prediction from 15 million to 13.5 million next quarter, due to competition from the Fire and cannibalism from the Macbook Air. But he's been pretty much alone in doing so.

Originally Posted by SeaKing

Indeed it does my man. Indeed it does.
I don't know how many articles I have read saying that the iPad would kill off the eReaders. That a 10" (actually 9.7") size was necessary. That anything else just didn't give the "experience." The "magic."

I don't know if all these professional writers got to keep their complimentary iPads when they wrote all these glowing reports or what.

Sure, the press was full of these reports when the iPad was launched. And they were basically wrong - but in no small part due to the fact that Amazon responded very quickly and introduced a new kindle that had a better screen and only cost half the price of the previous kindle.

Have you seen any reports that the iPad will crush the Kindle written in 2011?

On the other hand they also are currently writing about the Samsung Galaxy 5" player and the Galaxy Note and say that the screens are just too big to use. They then bring up the iPhone and iPod Touch with their 3.5" "ergonomic" screen that allow a normal person's thumb to cross the whole screen and say that is the only way such devices can be used effectively, so of course 5" is awful and will fail, and why the heck do they manufacture such junk.

Are they wrong?

And I seem to remember reading a huge number of articles about how the iPad would fail. Did you also read those?

There is always this push back on anything that seems to threaten an Apple machine.

Just as there are even more attacks on anything with Apple in its name. There is always fighting over all tech as people want to validate their own choices. There are a huge number of sites pushing Android products and attacking Apple. Just like you are doing. And of course there is pushback from Apple sites.

That's no different from the Sony vs. Nook vs. Amazon arguments in this forum.

And now their predictions and analysis is being proven wrong.

Mighty fine feeling. Mighty fine.

Wrong about what? About the Kindle? Yes - but that was true a year ago. About the success of the Xoom and the Playbook? No, they were pretty much correct.

About the Kindle Fire? No one said it would fail - the consensus was always that *this* tablet would be the Android tablet that would succeed.

On another note, the prediction is that a new smaller iPad will be coming. It will be 7" they say, but the actual dimension is closer to 8" I don't know if that is true, but if it is, we will soon hear from these same sources and pundits that you get the "experience" and the "magic" from the smaller size as well. No doubt.

There is one rumor site that reported this. I doubt it is correct.

[SeaKing]

Originally Posted by Andrew H.

Why bring CNET crap here?
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My Apple friend as the originator of this thread said in post #1,

Kali Yuga: (Post #1 this thread)
"Cue me smirking at the memories of predictions that tablets would destroy the dedicated market in 3, 2, 1..."


I am discussing his point. Kali and I and others in this thread (but not all of course) have said in effect that we smirk, laugh, and in fact resent those writers, editors and So Called Experts in many online magazines, forums, etc., that berate, belittle, begrudge and don't understand eReaders, their purpose, their form, and why they succeed and these "experts" constantly predict their failure for one reason or another, but particularly lately because of the iPad and they have been constantly wrong, yet they assume the mantle of experts and malign those who don't go along with them.

Be happy with your Apple. I don't begrudge you that. I am not attacking you.

[elcreative]

Originally Posted by SeaKing

My Apple friend as the originator of this thread said in post #1,

Kali Yuga: (Post #1 this thread)
"Cue me smirking at the memories of predictions that tablets would destroy the dedicated market in 3, 2, 1..."


I am discussing his point. Kali and I and others in this thread (but not all of course) have said in effect that we smirk, laugh, and in fact resent those writers, editors and So Called Experts in many online magazines, forums, etc., that berate, belittle, begrudge and don't understand eReaders, their purpose, their form, and why they succeed and these "experts" constantly predict their failure for one reason or another, but particularly lately because of the iPad and they have been constantly wrong, yet they assume the mantle of experts and malign those who don't go along with them.

Be happy with your Apple. I don't begrudge you that. I am not attacking you.

Bold by me... this may have happened a while ago but everything, that seems to be around now, is promoting eReaders for the reader (especially for leisure) and denigrating tablets with shiny screens as not so comfortable for leisure ereading whether your hated iPads or any other (obviously much-loved) tablet...

[HansTWN]

Working together with tech journalists and bloggers to get raving reviews has always been a big part of Apple's marketing strategy -- and an extremely effective one. Walter Mossberg comes to mind first and foremost. What amazes me is that others haven't imitated that strategy.

[SeaKing]

Originally Posted by elcreative

Bold by me... this may have happened a while ago but everything, that seems to be around now, is promoting eReaders for the reader (especially for leisure) and denigrating tablets with shiny screens as not so comfortable for leisure ereading whether your hated iPads or any other (obviously much-loved) tablet...

elcreative, the critics have eased their volleys and diatribes and they are no longer predicting the demise of the Kindle, the Nook, and the Kobo, and the failure of the Fire. They can't ignore the numbers or the excitement of the millions that are buying those devices.

Tablets, including the Fire, iPad, HTC, Lenovo and others have their place. No one sitting at my keyboard is hating the iPad.

The point was that there have been many people in the proverbial "high places" holding up the iPad as some kind of holy grail and telling people that it was the TOTAL future and from now on it was really the only game in town. That has been proven wrong.

I think those folks are kind of quiet right now, and only spend their time beating down on devices like smartphones or players with larger screens than iPhones and iPod Touches. We shall have to see how the Galaxy Note, the Galaxy Players (4.0 and 5.0) and the Lenovo S2005 do. Sony and Archos are in that mix as well.

Also of course there are other 7" tablets besides the Fire and Nook Color. The Lenovo A1, the HTC Flyer, and the new Lenovo S2007 come to mind.

There are plenty of devices for all kinds of folks with different outlooks, and that is the way this writer likes it.

[elcreative]

Sorry, I never saw this but then I don't see people as being in proverbial (or otherwise) "high places" and anyone who pays attention to any "this the greatest, the new wave of the future and going to crush all others etc" quotes should probably get a life and an opinion...

[murraypaul]

Originally Posted by SeaKing

Sorry guys, it won't wash. Calling me names won't work.

Pot.

The revered precepts are threatened and the iDols are shaking in the temples.

Meet Kettle.