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Old 11-24-2011, 09:14 AM   #16
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dang and all I did was Thanksgiving gift 4 Kindle Fires to my kids and ex!
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Amazon is my friend.

I figure it's equivalent to a house payment and I very well may be living in one of their basements soon enough.

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I really appreciate that you took the tome to write down and share you view. Thank you!!

I'm kind of surprised though at the number of people who actually thought that the Nook Tablet (or Kindle Fire) would be "real" (open)tablets and not understanding they are out there for BN (or Amazon) to sell content.
The KF is a real open tablet.
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Old 11-24-2011, 09:42 AM   #21
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The KF is a real open tablet.
My mistake- I didn't know that.

(I'm not planning on getting one anyway... or at least I don't think I am... but then I wasn't planning on getting hooked on eReading a year ago, and look how that turned out! )
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Old 11-24-2011, 09:45 AM   #22
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Nate, I think when you do reviews (which, BTW, I always enjoy reading), I think you should give two opinions: one based on what it is that you want and one that would more neatly fit with what the common folk are looking for.

Most people who will buy the Nook Tablet are not looking for that broad open experience you want. What you want is a $500 tablet for $200 and no $200 tablet will every wholly measure up.

OTOH, I would expect to be walled in to B&N if I am buying a Nook device, just as I would expect to be walled in by Amazon were I buying an Amazon device. I whould choose to buy the Nook Tablet because I want to buy my reading material at B&N and am happy to have B&N guide my access to Netflix. If I want to be wall-free, I wouldn't buy either the Kindle or the Nook, I'd look at the Xoom or Asus.

Anyway, while the Nook Tablet fails to meet your openness needs at $250, it more than meets the average B&N consumer's needs, thus the need for two review conclusions.
Nope. I never said I wanted the experience found on a $500 tablet. I have used many tablets ranging from $100 to $600 and they were all open, to varying degrees. If the NT had fallen somewhere in that range i would accept it. Instead it fell far outside what I expected from a tablet.

And you're wrong on the KF. It's not walled in like the NT.

Rich, while you're right about the usefulness of 2 conclusions, I feel that with this particular device the one deciding detail on whether to buy it is the fact it's so closed. That's why i focused my review on just that one aspect.

And there are so many NT reviews on the WWW that I think a general review wouldn't be as useful as focusing my energy on just the one review.
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My mistake- I didn't know that.

(I'm not planning on getting one anyway... or at least I don't think I am... but then I wasn't planning on getting hooked on eReading a year ago, and look how that turned out! )
That's understandable. B&N put out a fair amount of FUD about the KF. It confused the issue.
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The Color was easy to root and very open after that. The Tablet would've been just as easy, only B&N messed it up this time.
Didn't someone post that the Tablet was rooted? Why are folks saying B&N lost out on many sales this time? I haven't been following the XDA stuff. Thanks for the enlightenment.
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Didn't someone post that the Tablet was rooted? Why are folks saying B&N lost out on many sales this time? I haven't been following the XDA stuff. Thanks for the enlightenment.
This one is too much hassle. Just not worth messing with this time around. Instead, I'm getting a so-called full Android tablet at a cheaper BF price.
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Didn't someone post that the Tablet was rooted? Why are folks saying B&N lost out on many sales this time? I haven't been following the XDA stuff. Thanks for the enlightenment.
I was rooted a few days ago. And I bought two NTs last night. I started testing them this morning. Wall garden is a perfect description. I am going to root one just as soon as the unrooting process is working for everyone that way I can return it if need be. I am keeping my figures crossed that the XDA folks will be able to hack the bootloader. If they do, then I will eventually have a wonderful Ice Cream Sandwich tablet. If not, then I have a pretty good Gingerbread Tablet.

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Now... where did you get those tablets for those prices? It makes buying the NT moot if I can actually get a true tablet out of the box for a comparable price.
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Now... where did you get those tablets for those prices? It makes buying the NT moot if I can actually get a true tablet out of the box for a comparable price.
Best Buy's online Black Friday sale early this morning. They're now sold out.

I was ordering these devices just after 3am PST. The good stuff went fast. I missed a laptop I wanted.
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Oh yes, I'm sure they lost many sales!

(But I'm also pretty sure they have made lots of calculations on what they think will give them more profit and that a "too open" device, possibly sold at very little profit (don't really know this, just guessing) brings in less money than the content they hope they'll sell otherwise would.)
I'm pretty sure that the NT is sold at a loss. They did plan to sell it for $350, after all.
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Now... where did you get those tablets for those prices? It makes buying the NT moot if I can actually get a true tablet out of the box for a comparable price.
Here are some deals:
http://www.the-digital-reader.com/20...gadgets-oh-my/
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