DRM Handcuffs - Page 2

BillSmithBooks · 09-23-2011, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Wallace

I published my early books with DRM, but have subsequently released everything without, as I've become more educated on the subject. Of course, no writer wants people stealing his work, but the people who steal won't be bothered by something as trivial as DRM, while legitimate owners of the book can find DRM annoying as they try to move their libraries from one device to another. I don't think you should have to purchase a new copy of something every time you chance devices. (Do you hear that Apple?)

Let me join the chorus...

DRM is awful. And virtually useless. And it is, if anything, holding back mass adoption of ebooks.

sadievan · 09-23-2011, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CRussel

Personally, I dislike DRM intensely. But I also have zero qualms about removing it, and do so on every single book I buy. The day someone creates a DRM plan for Amazon that I can't remove, is the day I stop buying books from them.

I feel the same way.

Edited to add: That goes for any book publishing company. If I can't remove the DRM, I won't buy from them.

Carol

Graham Coulson · 09-23-2011, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Wallace

I published my early books with DRM, but have subsequently released everything without, as I've become more educated on the subject. Of course, no writer wants people stealing his work, but the people who steal won't be bothered by something as trivial as DRM, while legitimate owners of the book can find DRM annoying as they try to move their libraries from one device to another. I don't think you should have to purchase a new copy of something every time you chance devices. (Do you hear that Apple?)

Interesting! I read recently that J.K. Rowling has decided to self-publish her Harry Potter ebooks without DRM.

Perhaps the word is getting out...

sadievan · 09-23-2011, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Wallace

I published my early books with DRM, but have subsequently released everything without, as I've become more educated on the subject. Of course, no writer wants people stealing his work, but the people who steal won't be bothered by something as trivial as DRM, while legitimate owners of the book can find DRM annoying as they try to move their libraries from one device to another. I don't think you should have to purchase a new copy of something every time you chance devices. (Do you hear that Apple?)

Joining the chorus. Put The Righteous on my wish list at Amazon. Looks good. I like mysteries.

Carol

OtterBooks · 09-23-2011, 01:37 PM

Don't worry about it, mr. worm. It really not a big deal. Get yerself an ereader. Get calibre. Get some tips on installing plugins. Enjoy some books.

The only reason I would remove drm is so I can adjust indent and paragraph spacing after I buy a book. Hypothetically.

BillSmithBooks · 09-23-2011, 01:39 PM

As if on cue, a new thread and discussion on this very subject on Teleread.

And the kicker...Adobe DRM costs the ebook vendor about 25 cents a copy and is...actually pretty useless.

stonetools · 09-23-2011, 06:15 PM

It's a good thing that indie authors looking for an audience to go no DRm. Best selling authors are in a completely different place. Ms. Rowling is going with social DRm, but she may take big losses over this. We will see.

JD Gumby · 09-23-2011, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by stonetools

It's a good thing that indie authors looking for an audience to go no DRm. Best selling authors are in a completely different place. Ms. Rowling is going with social DRm, but she may take big losses over this. We will see.

She won't take any losses. She might not make as much profit (assuming that every copy out there that wasn't paid for is an actual lost sale, VERY unlikely), but there won't be any loss.

Purple Lady · 09-24-2011, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by speakingtohe

A couple of reasons for DRM to exist.

Libraries could not lend books.

Libraries are starting to offer books without DRM. I just borrowed one two days ago and I can't return it early so I guess it will never expire either. The lending period is two weeks, so I guess the library will wait two weeks before lending it again.

Hellmark · 09-24-2011, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Purple Lady

Libraries are starting to offer books without DRM. I just borrowed one two days ago and I can't return it early so I guess it will never expire either. The lending period is two weeks, so I guess the library will wait two weeks before lending it again.

Certain DRM types don't have variable expiration post encoding. Basically, it can only expire at the set time, and not before, so no early returns. Try opening the book in Calibre. By default (IE, if you don't have the third party DRM stripper plugin), Calibre will tell you if it can or cannot open a file due to DRM.

Purple Lady · 09-24-2011, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Hellmark

Certain DRM types don't have time limits. Try opening the book in Calibre. By default (IE, if you don't have the third party DRM stripper plugin), Calibre will tell you if it can or cannot open a file due to DRM.

I know it's not DRM because I got a choice of formats - Adobe EPUB and PDF or Open EPUB and PDF. It also wasn't a .ascm file I have to open, it was downloaded as .epub.

HarryT · 09-24-2011, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Purple Lady

Libraries are starting to offer books without DRM. I just borrowed one two days ago and I can't return it early so I guess it will never expire either. The lending period is two weeks, so I guess the library will wait two weeks before lending it again.

That's not "borrowing" a book; that's giving you a book to keep forever. Unless the book is in the public domain, this seems very unlikely.

crich70 · 09-24-2011, 03:12 AM

What I have issue with is the fact that Amazon owns Mobipocket and yet unless I break the DRM on the books I bought from Mobipocket I would either have to buy new copies of the same book in their Kindle format or just not read those books on my ereader. So I agree DRM is more of a headache than a help.

xg4bx · 09-24-2011, 05:45 AM

i never really minded drm until i had to "unlock" all my books when i got a replacement kindle. simply being able to transfer the files that were already on my computer would have been too easy i guess....

HarryT · 09-24-2011, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by xg4bx

i never really minded drm until i had to "unlock" all my books when i got a replacement kindle. simply being able to transfer the files that were already on my computer would have been too easy i guess....

Why didn't you remove the DRM as you got the books? That's what most of us do, and it makes life an awful lot easier.

09-23-2011, 01:37 PM	#20
OtterBooks Wizard Posts: 1,262 Karma: 2979086 Join Date: Nov 2010 Device: Kindle 4, iPad Mini/Retina	Don't worry about it, mr. worm. It really not a big deal. Get yerself an ereader. Get calibre. Get some tips on installing plugins. Enjoy some books. The only reason I would remove drm is so I can adjust indent and paragraph spacing after I buy a book. Hypothetically. Last edited by OtterBooks; 09-24-2011 at 01:40 PM.

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BillSmithBooks Padawan Learner Posts: 243 Karma: 1085815 Join Date: May 2009 Location: www.OutlawGalaxy.com, Foothills of NY's Adirondack mountains Device: My PC...using Puppy Linux (FBReader, Calibre, Kindle Cloud Reader,	As if on cue, a new thread and discussion on this very subject on Teleread. And the kicker...Adobe DRM costs the ebook vendor about 25 cents a copy and is...actually pretty useless.

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stonetools Wizard Posts: 2,016 Karma: 2838487 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Washington, DC Device: Ipad, IPhone	It's a good thing that indie authors looking for an audience to go no DRm. Best selling authors are in a completely different place. Ms. Rowling is going with social DRm, but she may take big losses over this. We will see.

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crich70 Grand Sorcerer Posts: 11,310 Karma: 43993832 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Monroe Wisconsin Device: K3, Kindle Paperwhite, Calibre, and Mobipocket for Pc (netbook)	What I have issue with is the fact that Amazon owns Mobipocket and yet unless I break the DRM on the books I bought from Mobipocket I would either have to buy new copies of the same book in their Kindle format or just not read those books on my ereader. So I agree DRM is more of a headache than a help.

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xg4bx Are you gonna eat that? Posts: 1,633 Karma: 23215128 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Phillipsburg, NJ Device: Kindle 3, Nook STG	i never really minded drm until i had to "unlock" all my books when i got a replacement kindle. simply being able to transfer the files that were already on my computer would have been too easy i guess....

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