The Amazon Kindle tablet predicted sales figures have been cut in half - Page 2

OtterBooks · 09-14-2011, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by anamardoll

What? Is the hands-on demo article (Engadget? I so very much cannot remember.) now considered untrustworthy? I thought it was pretty coherent about the tablet and how it functioned.

If something new has been released, my bad. If you're referring to the TechCrunch article, I personally wouldn't call it coherent (edit: coherent maybe, just not so informative), though I could have missed something. "It's seven inches. It runs a forked version of Android. It includes Amazon Prime. It's $250. I think it runs a single core cpu." sums up the article.

OK so it's forked. That forked OS is tied to Amazon's App store, which also sells apps to nearly any Android device. Also the OS has lots of blue and yellow coloring. Maybe it's locked down like fort knox. I dunno. I've got no problem with the speculation. That's part of the fun, here. I just wouldn't say we "know" much of anything.

anamardoll · 09-14-2011, 05:28 PM

Nah, the one I read was a lot more hands-on, but look at Ana being lazy and not googling it. Sorry.

The thing is, as a Google Market user, I've sunk at least $50 into android apps. I don't want to rebuy them on the Amazon Market anymore than I wanted to rebuy them on the Nook Market.

So forked is an issue for anyone who has already invested in Google Market and doesn't want to rebuy everything.

If you haven't already invested in Google Market, it's probably great.

OtterBooks · 09-14-2011, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by anamardoll

Nah, the one I read was a lot more hands-on, but look at Ana being lazy and not googling it. Sorry.

Oh, well then it looks like I have some googling to do.

I can see not wanting to reinvest in those apps again. That's a solid concern. Maybe (I says maybe) it will just be Amazon Appstore inclined, rather than limited; like the Appstore will have more slick integration, but it won't prevent you from going to the Android market site and downloading the app. There are tabs out there that come with only the Amazon Appstore installed, not Google, but they're aren't shut out of it (iirc).

Shack70 · 09-14-2011, 05:45 PM

As long as it runs everything in the Amazon App store I will more than likely get this new tablet. I've been looking at the Color Nook a lot but own a Kindle. I love my Kindle and can only hope a color tablet will be great as well. I'm waiting to actually see it. I'm sure at some point the Amazon tablet will get hacked. I want to see if it has an SD slot or not

elemenoP · 09-14-2011, 05:59 PM

I don't think there are 2 million people who know what closed, forked, true Android, etc. mean. Heck, I'm pretty technical, I follow this site pretty religiously, and I can barely understand what those things mean.

eP

anamardoll · 09-14-2011, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by OtterBooks

Oh, well then it looks like I have some googling to do.

I can see not wanting to reinvest in those apps again. That's a solid concern. Maybe (I says maybe) it will just be Amazon Appstore inclined, rather than limited; like the Appstore will have more slick integration, but it won't prevent you from going to the Android market site and downloading the app. There are tabs out there that come with only the Amazon Appstore installed, not Google, but they're aren't shut out of it (iirc).

The one I read said "THERE IS NO GOOGLE MARKET. REPEAT..." but I'll see if I can't find it somewhere. Husband sent it in an email, so maybe I can find it in my inbox still...

Suzanna · 09-14-2011, 06:03 PM

I'm in the market for a 7" tablet and was interested in Amazon's upcoming tablet (even though I'm not an Amazon fangirl.) If it's a closed system that pretty much ties you to the store, however, then I'll have to look elsewhere. Access to the Android app market is important to me.

joenunya · 09-14-2011, 07:13 PM

The only article about the looming Amazon tablet that mentions a hands-on look was using an Amazon internal PROTOTYPE. I don't believe anyone has had access to the production version nor would they be privy to pricing or market app access. Amazon won't be so silly as to produce an iPad (or iPod) like environment needing only proprietary software to use the device or control content. The target market are people who eschew Apple products for just that scenario so how would putting out such a device not push those potential or even existing customers pretty much to any other device? People like me who are just waiting to see if there is a good deal here but must have total freedom on how we use the thing we paid for, as in bought not leased. If it doesn't have this then other options will get our cash and cause us to recommend anything but Apple or Amazon to our friends.

stonetools · 09-14-2011, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by joenunya

The only article about the looming Amazon tablet that mentions a hands-on look was using an Amazon internal PROTOTYPE. I don't believe anyone has had access to the production version nor would they be privy to pricing or market app access. Amazon won't be so silly as to produce an iPad (or iPod) like environment needing only proprietary software to use the device or control content. The target market are people who eschew Apple products for just that scenario so how would putting out such a device not push those potential or even existing customers pretty much to any other device? People like me who are just waiting to see if there is a good deal here but must have total freedom on how we use the thing we paid for, as in bought not leased. If it doesn't have this then other options will get our cash and cause us to recommend anything but Apple or Amazon to our friends.

Amazon isn't really interested in leading some kind of crusade against Apple on behalf of Android fans. Amazon is there to make money, period. The Kindle is even more closed and proprietary than the iPad. I expect that the Ktab to be no more open than the iPad, and indeed would be not surprised if it were less open.

kennyc · 09-14-2011, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by anamardoll

For me, at least, this is true -- and then there's the sizing issue.

I'm really interested in a 10" device that isn't too expensive and has access to the Google Market.

The "preview" I read of the Amazon tablet was a big "no thank you" for me. Nothing wrong with it, but I don't really use the Amazon ecosystem, so it's basically worthless to me.

I might buy it and root it, but... probably not. Because I don't want another 7" Nook Color, you know?

And by time the 10" comes out, my ADD means I'll be lusting after something else at that point.

So, for me at least, you have guessed correctly.

Yes, this. I won't buy an Amazon tablet if it is restricted when I can buy a non-restricted tablet, install Kindle Reader on it and have pretty much the same thing.

BTW I just got an update for my Nook app and it's much much better than it was - I'm liking it.

kennyc · 09-14-2011, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by elemenoP

I don't think there are 2 million people who know what closed, forked, true Android, etc. mean. Heck, I'm pretty technical, I follow this site pretty religiously, and I can barely understand what those things mean.

eP

Yeah somethings forked all right...

GreenMonkey · 09-15-2011, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by anamardoll

Nah, the one I read was a lot more hands-on, but look at Ana being lazy and not googling it. Sorry.

The thing is, as a Google Market user, I've sunk at least $50 into android apps. I don't want to rebuy them on the Amazon Market anymore than I wanted to rebuy them on the Nook Market.

So forked is an issue for anyone who has already invested in Google Market and doesn't want to rebuy everything.

If you haven't already invested in Google Market, it's probably great.

Why do you think Amazon has been offering a free app every day for so many months? I've got far more pay apps on Amazon...I have only one for Android from the google market (root explorer).

kennyc · 09-15-2011, 06:09 AM

I have zero paid apps.

tubemonkey · 09-15-2011, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

I have zero paid apps.

Same here. I only buy the free ones. I have over 500 apps for my iPod touch and hundreds for my Nook Color. I've been collecting Amazon's free app of the day ever since they started it back in March. I have apps that'll never work on my Nook because it lacks a mic, camera, compass, and GPS. Who knows what future Android devices I may get that can use these apps.

Free apps means I can switch platforms and never suffer a monetary loss.

Nexutix · 09-15-2011, 09:34 AM

I think this is just a bubble marketting form. Blow a big bubble by yourself and then let it blow on tablet release.

Who is really going to buy a tablet which restricts usability as compared to other honeycomb tabs? They CAN'T close kindle app on other tablets to support the Amazon-tablet-only market, they will lose customers. What's the new thing in buying it? Does it have Pixel Qi or similar display? Does it have some sort of amazing battery life like 7 days running screen on? No.

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09-14-2011, 05:28 PM	#17
anamardoll Chasing Butterflies Posts: 3,132 Karma: 5074169 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: American Southwest Device: Uses batteries.	Nah, the one I read was a lot more hands-on, but look at Ana being lazy and not googling it. Sorry. The thing is, as a Google Market user, I've sunk at least $50 into android apps. I don't want to rebuy them on the Amazon Market anymore than I wanted to rebuy them on the Nook Market. So forked is an issue for anyone who has already invested in Google Market and doesn't want to rebuy everything. If you haven't already invested in Google Market, it's probably great.

09-14-2011, 05:45 PM	#19
Shack70 Guru Posts: 777 Karma: 1043626 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: York, Pa Device: Kindle Paperwhite 11th Generation	As long as it runs everything in the Amazon App store I will more than likely get this new tablet. I've been looking at the Color Nook a lot but own a Kindle. I love my Kindle and can only hope a color tablet will be great as well. I'm waiting to actually see it. I'm sure at some point the Amazon tablet will get hacked. I want to see if it has an SD slot or not

09-14-2011, 05:59 PM	#20
elemenoP Wizard Posts: 1,717 Karma: 3790058 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: NYC Device: Kindle Paperwhite, Sony 650	I don't think there are 2 million people who know what closed, forked, true Android, etc. mean. Heck, I'm pretty technical, I follow this site pretty religiously, and I can barely understand what those things mean. eP

09-14-2011, 06:03 PM	#22
Suzanna Living in the past Posts: 432 Karma: 6011289 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Toronto Device: Kobo Aura HD, Kobo Arc	I'm in the market for a 7" tablet and was interested in Amazon's upcoming tablet (even though I'm not an Amazon fangirl.) If it's a closed system that pretty much ties you to the store, however, then I'll have to look elsewhere. Access to the Android app market is important to me.

09-14-2011, 07:13 PM	#23
joenunya Banned Posts: 120 Karma: 234858 Join Date: Jun 2011 Device: kindle4pc	The only article about the looming Amazon tablet that mentions a hands-on look was using an *Amazon internal PROTOTYPE*. I don't believe anyone has had access to the production version nor would they be privy to pricing or market app access. Amazon won't be so silly as to produce an iPad (or iPod) like environment needing only proprietary software to use the device or control content. The target market are people who eschew Apple products for just that scenario so how would putting out such a device not push those potential or even existing customers pretty much to any other device? People like me who are just waiting to see if there is a good deal here but must have total freedom on how we use the thing we paid for, as in bought not leased. If it doesn't have this then other options will get our cash and cause us to recommend anything but Apple or Amazon to our friends.

09-15-2011, 06:09 AM	#28
kennyc The Dank Side of the Moon Posts: 35,901 Karma: 119230421 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denver, CO Device: Kindle2; Kindle Fire	I have zero paid apps.

09-15-2011, 09:34 AM	#30
Nexutix Reading and reading Posts: 582 Karma: 8250144 Join Date: Oct 2010 Device: Infibeam Pi, iPod Touch 4G, iPad Air 2, iPad mini 2, Oneplus One	I think this is just a bubble marketting form. Blow a big bubble by yourself and then let it blow on tablet release. Who is really going to buy a tablet which restricts usability as compared to other honeycomb tabs? They CAN'T close kindle app on other tablets to support the Amazon-tablet-only market, they will lose customers. What's the new thing in buying it? Does it have Pixel Qi or similar display? Does it have some sort of amazing battery life like 7 days running screen on? No.

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