Seriously considering KSO 3G Now

[Ron.]

Originally Posted by PhillipA82

Yeah, I hate this. Any hack for that problem..?

not sure, but if you switch to a different font, rather then different size it can make it just enough bigger.

[Ron.]

Originally Posted by Blossom

I do run mine through Calibre to add a space after every paragraph and an indent of 1.3em of the first line of a paragraph.

The Kindle does not recognize 1.3em indent it rounds it up to 1.5em, the kindle will display 1em, 1.5em, 2em, 2.5em etc indents. anything in between it rounds up.

[Blossom]

Originally Posted by Ron.

The Kindle does not recognize 1.3em indent it rounds it up to 1.5em, the kindle will display 1em, 1.5em, 2em, 2.5em etc indents. anything in between it rounds up.

Mine shows 1.3em or 3% or whatever the third letter is. The indent in all my books starts on the third letter space. Which I assume is... 1.3 or 3%. Whatever it is I like it. 1.5 is too far of an indent.

1.5 is default it seems on all HQs I buy so I always change the indent because I don't like how it looks. The changes do show on my Kindle. I do make my mobi books using the Hanlin v5 profile not the Kindle profile in Calibre.

[DiapDealer]

Actually, I have yet to unpack a mobi file (purchased from Amazon, or built by calibre or kindlegen) whose paragraph indents weren't specified in whole increments of em's. Keep in mind that there is no css inside a mobi file. Whatever converter you use has to translate the "text-indent" css style attribute to the html 3.2 "width" attribute of the <p> tag.

Now it's possible that someone might manually add &nbsp; entities to adjust the text indent to their liking, but that's not what I'm referring to.

I just built a mobi with calibre starting with an epub that had 1.5em paragraph indents. I told it to convert to mobi, to remove spacing between lines, and set the indent-size to 1.3em. Unpacking the resulting mobi with mobiunpack.py, the 1.3em request as been changed to a 1em indent.

<p height="0pt" width="1em" align="left">The helicopter was idling. Two men were carrying the stretcher.</p>

All of which corresponds to what I see when reading books on my Kindle... 1em or 2em indents. One's a hair too small , the other... way too big.

[Ron.]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Actually, I have yet to unpack a mobi file (purchased from Amazon, or built by calibre or kindlegen) whose paragraph indents weren't specified in whole increments of em's. Keep in mind that there is no css inside a mobi file. Whatever converter you use has to translate the "text-indent" css style attribute to the html 3.2 "width" attribute of the <p> tag.

Now it's possible that someone might manually add &nbsp; entities to adjust the text indent to their liking, but that's not what I'm referring to.

I just built a mobi with calibre starting with an epub that had 1.5em paragraph indents. I told it to convert to mobi, to remove spacing between lines, and set the indent-size to 1.3em. Unpacking the resulting mobi with mobiunpack.py, the 1.3em request as been changed to a 1em indent.

<p height="0pt" width="1em" align="left">The helicopter was idling. Two men were carrying the stretcher.</p>

All of which corresponds to what I see when reading books on my Kindle... 1em or 2em indents. One's a hair too small , the other... way too big.

1.3 em = 1em and 1.5 em = 2em, I'm not sure if it's a kindle limitation or a mobipocket one.

I made a test file and this is how it winds up displaying (the html file displays correctly

[Blossom]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Actually, I have yet to unpack a mobi file (purchased from Amazon, or built by calibre or kindlegen) whose paragraph indents weren't specified in whole increments of em's. Keep in mind that there is no css inside a mobi file. Whatever converter you use has to translate the "text-indent" css style attribute to the html 3.2 "width" attribute of the <p> tag.

Now it's possible that someone might manually add &nbsp; entities to adjust the text indent to their liking, but that's not what I'm referring to.

I just built a mobi with calibre starting with an epub that had 1.5em paragraph indents. I told it to convert to mobi, to remove spacing between lines, and set the indent-size to 1.3em. Unpacking the resulting mobi with mobiunpack.py, the 1.3em request as been changed to a 1em indent.

<p height="0pt" width="1em" align="left">The helicopter was idling. Two men were carrying the stretcher.</p>

All of which corresponds to what I see when reading books on my Kindle... 1em or 2em indents. One's a hair too small , the other... way too big.

All my Indents start on the third letter space in a paragraph. I'm not sure what it's called but I do know to get it I use 1.3em in the Extra CSS box It looks the same in both epub and my mobi file.

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by Blossom

All my Indents start on the third letter space in a paragraph. I'm not sure what it's called but I do know to get it I use 1.3em in the Extra CSS box It looks the same in both epub and my mobi file.

Mobi don't have no CSS. Whatever you put in that box gets translated to html attributes.

I just did a little more investigation where I specified the "width" attribute directly in the html (instead of CSS). I increased the amount of indent for consecutive paragraphs:

1.2em
1.3em
1.4em
1.5em
1.6em
1.7em

Kindlegen maintained the different fractional "width" attributes (I checked with mobiunpack). There was no visible difference in the appearance of the paragraph indents when displayed on the Kindle. They all looked like what I would consider a 2em indent.

Must experiment more.

[Blossom]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Mobi don't have no CSS. Whatever you put in that box gets translated to html attributes.

I know that it gets translated but I use the CSS box because it works for both Mobi and Epub by default that way.

Okay I've attached a pic from my Kindle. It's a tad dark but you can see where my Indents are. I don't know what the setting really is.
I just know using 1.3em in CSS box gets it for me and I like it that way. lol



It's a Inspirational novel to make sure there are no woo woo scenes showing from other books on my K3

[Ron.]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Mobi don't have no CSS. Whatever you put in that box gets translated to html attributes.

I just did a little more investigation where I specified the "width" attribute directly in the html (instead of CSS). I increased the amount of indent for consecutive paragraphs:

1.2em
1.3em
1.4em
1.5em
1.6em
1.7em

Kindlegen maintained the different fractional "width" attributes (I checked with mobiunpack). There was no visible difference in the appearance of the paragraph indents when displayed on the Kindle. They all looked like what I would consider a 2em indent.

Must experiment more.

try this

<?xml version='1.0' encoding='utf-8'?>
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
  <head>
    <title>indent test</title>
    <meta content="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; charset=utf-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"/>
  </head>
  <body>

<p style="text-indent:1em;margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px">1em indent</p>
<p style="text-indent:1.3em;margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px">1.3em indent</p>
<p style="text-indent:1.5em;margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px">1.5em indent</p>
<p style="text-indent:2em;margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px">2.0em indent</p>
</body>
</html>

[Blossom]

Originally Posted by Ron.

try this

<?xml version='1.0' encoding='utf-8'?>
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
  <head>
    <title>indent test</title>
    <meta content="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; charset=utf-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"/>
  </head>
  <body>

<p style="text-indent:1em;margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px">1em indent</p>
<p style="text-indent:1.3em;margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px">1.3em indent</p>
<p style="text-indent:1.5em;margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px">1.5em indent</p>
<p style="text-indent:2em;margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px">2.0em indent</p>
</body>
</html>

Okay here's my experiament.

I used your code to make a html file them converted it to mobi and 1.em and 1.3em are the same. I then converted from html to epub and got the same results. The only difference in the mobi and epub was 1.5em every other size matched on both epub and mobi with 1em and 1.3em showing no difference from each other.

Very Interesting!

I then put the mobi in Kindle Preview and 1em & 1.3em are the same.
So are 1.5em and 2em they match each other.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Blossom

Mine shows 1.3em or 3% or whatever the third letter is. The indent in all my books starts on the third letter space. Which I assume is... 1.3 or 3%. Whatever it is I like it. 1.5 is too far of an indent.

1.5 is default it seems on all HQs I buy so I always change the indent because I don't like how it looks. The changes do show on my Kindle. I do make my mobi books using the Hanlin v5 profile not the Kindle profile in Calibre.

I've noticed that a lot of Mobipocket & MS Reader use 5% for an indent which is way too large. I've taken to liking 1.2em for the indent.

[Ron.]

Originally Posted by Blossom

Okay here's my experiament.

I used your code to make a html file them converted it to mobi and 1.em and 1.3em are the same. I then converted from html to epub and got the same results. The only difference in the mobi and epub was 1.5em every other size matched on both epub and mobi with 1em and 1.3em showing no difference from each other.

Very Interesting!

what are you viewing the files in ?

my first screenshot is kindle for pc, the second is adobe digital editions

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by Ron.

try this

<?xml version='1.0' encoding='utf-8'?>
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
  <head>
    <title>indent test</title>
    <meta content="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; charset=utf-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"/>
  </head>
  <body>

<p style="text-indent:1em;margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px">1em indent</p>
<p style="text-indent:1.3em;margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px">1.3em indent</p>
<p style="text-indent:1.5em;margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px">1.5em indent</p>
<p style="text-indent:2em;margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px">2.0em indent</p>
</body>
</html>

That html produces the following mobi source when run through kindlegen and unpacked using mobiunpack.py:

<html>
  <head>
    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />
    <guide></guide>
  </head>
  <body>
    <p height="0" width="1em">1em indent</p>
    <div height="0"></div>
    <p height="0" width="1em">1.3em indent</p>
    <div height="0"></div>
    <p height="0" width="2em">1.5em indent</p>
    <div height="0"></div>
    <p height="0" width="2em">2.0em indent</p>
    <div height="0"></div>
  </body>
</html>

Which looks like this:


Either a 1em or 2em indent.

[JSWolf]

Since we know the Kindlegen rounds indents when using em, what does it do with % for text-indents?

[Ron.]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Since we know the Kindlegen rounds indents when using em, what does it do with % for text-indents?

it rounds them up