DRM does not hurt consumers - Page 2

DaleDe · 10-09-2007, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Nate the great

I just had another thought:

Most people do not have software that recognizes ISO files as disk images. I am pretty sure that it does not come in a standard installation of Windows. I have two desktops and a laptop in my house. Only the laptop identified a sample ISO file as a disk image.

I really hope that the firmware is provided with something that makes it less than impossible for the customer to use.

I would expect them to release a DVD for the user since the device is not likely to even be hooked to a computer.

Dale

Nate the great · 10-09-2007, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Azayzel

I've totally seen this issue even with a standard DVD. I have my PC hooked up directly to my TV, so I generally watch DVD's through the PC's DVD drive. A few DVD's I've run across wouldn't output an image to the component-out or DVI cable and I was stuck firing up the 'ol reliable stand-alone DVD player. I even ran into the problem trying to watch TV on my tuner card when a show was broadcast with the secure-bit (or whatever they're calling it) active, and had to switch over to the standard cable box. I have my PS3 hooked up to the TV via a HDMI-to-DVI convertor and haven't had any problems just yet watching BD-DVD's, but then again I don't own too many of them since they are so over-priced.

I can understand why they do this, to prevent people from capturing the signal and later distributing it, but it's still a PITA for me to have to deal with.

Already!?! I expected it to happen eventually but this soon?!?

BTW, were you running Vista? I really truly hope you did not have this problem under XP.

Nate the great · 10-09-2007, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Hadrien

You mean DRM does not (heart) consumer right ? ;-)

Really good pun. I wish I had thought of it.

joblack · 10-09-2007, 11:46 AM

drm sucks

JSWolf · 10-09-2007, 12:00 PM

All DRM does is hurt honest people. Those not honest will usually find a way to break the DRM or find it out on the net already broken. What happens though is an honest person pays for something with DRM, the DRM gets in the way so this person goes to find it cracked on the net and find other stuff for free along the way and ends up downloading that too and not paying for it. So here is a case of DRM causing a loss in revenue where it would not have had the DRM not been there.

Lemurion · 10-09-2007, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

All DRM does is hurt honest people. Those not honest will usually find a way to break the DRM or find it out on the net already broken. What happens though is an honest person pays for something with DRM, the DRM gets in the way so this person goes to find it cracked on the net and find other stuff for free along the way and ends up downloading that too and not paying for it. So here is a case of DRM causing a loss in revenue where it would not have had the DRM not been there.

I agree. In many cases we're running into situations where things are completely turned on their head. Instead of spending money on something meaning you get a better copy, one that just works, now it means a more limited copy that's often lower quality and may require crap like flashing your firmware to view. DRM's enough of a hassle that if the pirate stuff had DRM nobody would steal anything. It's the honest consumers who're getting rooked.

Funny that.

JSWolf · 10-09-2007, 01:13 PM

It would be one thing if Sony had put out these new DRM laden DVDs and was able to put in a disclaimer that you would need to upgrade your firmware on your DVD player and to call support for help if need be or to check their website as long as ALL players had firmware upgrades. If I had purchased the DVD and then had to go back to the store to return it, I'd be asking for the cost of fuel and the cost of my time since this is not my fault.

RalphTrickey · 10-09-2007, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

It would be one thing if Sony had put out these new DRM laden DVDs and was able to put in a disclaimer that you would need to upgrade your firmware on your DVD player and to call support for help if need be or to check their website as long as ALL players had firmware upgrades. If I had purchased the DVD and then had to go back to the store to return it, I'd be asking for the cost of fuel and the cost of my time since this is not my fault.

Sounds like you could start a class action suit

George · 10-10-2007, 12:34 AM

DRM = industries spending millions chasing that last couple of percent of profit from consumers and in the process shooting themselves in the foot by pissing off their consumers who eventually realise that they can get around that problem they had last year by downloading a pirated copy.

HarryT · 10-10-2007, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

It would be one thing if Sony had put out these new DRM laden DVDs and was able to put in a disclaimer that you would need to upgrade your firmware on your DVD player and to call support for help if need be or to check their website as long as ALL players had firmware upgrades. If I had purchased the DVD and then had to go back to the store to return it, I'd be asking for the cost of fuel and the cost of my time since this is not my fault.

Why are you blaming Sony for this? Sounds as though it's Fox who've screwed up here, not Sony.

JSWolf · 10-10-2007, 10:55 AM

Are you sure it's Fox who put the new DRM on these DVDs and not Sony?

Nate the great · 10-10-2007, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Are you sure it's Fox who put the new DRM on these DVDs and not Sony?

Sony may set the standards, but it was Fox who made the actual DVDs. Fox made the decision to use the latest DRM.

JSWolf · 10-10-2007, 01:11 PM

But, Sony released this DRM nonsense to Fox and probably told Fox it was ok to use.

HarryT · 10-11-2007, 02:11 AM

Sony define the standard; it's the player manufacturer who decides which aspects of the standard to implement in their device.

To blame Sony for this would be like blaming the creators of the older DVD standard for the decision of a movie study to release a "dual layer" DVD in the days before the majority of players supported them. Dual layer support was a part of the DVD standard long before players supported it. Similarly there are aspects of the Blu-Ray standard which current players don't currently implement.

wgrimm · 10-11-2007, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by George

DRM = industries spending millions chasing that last couple of percent of profit from consumers and in the process shooting themselves in the foot by pissing off their consumers who eventually realise that they can get around that problem they had last year by downloading a pirated copy.

It's surprising that no one has mentioned "DRM" in the context of the awful "Don't copy that floppy" days. Copy protection schemes were used by many companies, like Lotus, to "protect" their IP. So, if you had bought a copy of, for example, WordPerfect (another company that used copy protection on distro floppies), and your install floppy went bad, WordPerfect would charge you full price of the program to replace it.

Of course, these copy protected floppies COULD be copied, if you wanted to buy a Central Point (the people who now make Spyware Doctor) Option Board. Mine paid for itself within 1 month of purchase- lots of people wanted backup copies of the software that they had legally purchased. My point? EVERY DRM scheme can be hacked, and will be hacked. And most, especially the ones that make it difficult for paying consumers to enjoy the content that they bought, will quickly disappear.

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10-09-2007, 11:46 AM	#19
joblack Wizard Posts: 1,751 Karma: 4382688 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Somewhere on earth Device: Onyx Boox Tab X C	drm sucks

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JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,762 Karma: 145864619 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	All DRM does is hurt honest people. Those not honest will usually find a way to break the DRM or find it out on the net already broken. What happens though is an honest person pays for something with DRM, the DRM gets in the way so this person goes to find it cracked on the net and find other stuff for free along the way and ends up downloading that too and not paying for it. So here is a case of DRM causing a loss in revenue where it would not have had the DRM not been there.

10-09-2007, 01:13 PM	#22
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,762 Karma: 145864619 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	It would be one thing if Sony had put out these new DRM laden DVDs and was able to put in a disclaimer that you would need to upgrade your firmware on your DVD player and to call support for help if need be or to check their website as long as ALL players had firmware upgrades. If I had purchased the DVD and then had to go back to the store to return it, I'd be asking for the cost of fuel and the cost of my time since this is not my fault.

10-10-2007, 12:34 AM	#24
George Enthusiast Posts: 26 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sydney Device: iPad/iPhone - PRS 600	DRM = industries spending millions chasing that last couple of percent of profit from consumers and in the process shooting themselves in the foot by pissing off their consumers who eventually realise that they can get around that problem they had last year by downloading a pirated copy.

10-10-2007, 10:55 AM	#26
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10-10-2007, 01:11 PM	#28
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,762 Karma: 145864619 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	But, Sony released this DRM nonsense to Fox and probably told Fox it was ok to use.

10-11-2007, 02:11 AM	#29
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Sony define the standard; it's the player manufacturer who decides which aspects of the standard to implement in their device. To blame Sony for this would be like blaming the creators of the older DVD standard for the decision of a movie study to release a "dual layer" DVD in the days before the majority of players supported them. Dual layer support was a part of the DVD standard long before players supported it. Similarly there are aspects of the Blu-Ray standard which current players don't currently implement.

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