First Impressions & Comparisons

[anamardoll]

Originally Posted by jswinden

I wouldn't draw too many Android conclusions based solely on the nookcolor (NC) because the NC uses a terrible hybrid OS that is part Android and part B&N garbage. I think a true Android tablet or phone will be a different and better experience and comparison.

If you're serious about wanting to know why people are attacking your posts, I will try to weigh in and point out that you're using very pejorative terms.

I actually agree with the gist of everything you've said here in this paragraph, but it's so negative that it's really distracting from your overall point, I think. And I'm the LAST person to be labeled a B&N cheerleader - I've waded in there with you before in the "800 Reasons Why The Stock Reader Sucks" arguments.

If you went with a phrasing more like this:

Originally Posted by jswinden

I wouldn't draw too many Android conclusions based solely on the nookcolor (NC) because the NC uses a hybrid OS that is part Android and part B&N. I think a true Android tablet or phone will be a different experience and comparison.

, I think we'd see fewer thread-jackings and more meaningful conversations overall.

[boswd]

Originally Posted by anamardoll

If you're serious about wanting to know why people are attacking your posts, I will try to weigh in and point out that you're using very pejorative terms.

I actually agree with the gist of everything you've said here in this paragraph, but it's so negative that it's really distracting from your overall point, I think. And I'm the LAST person to be labeled a B&N cheerleader - I've waded in there with you before in the "800 Reasons Why The Stock Reader Sucks" arguments.

If you went with a phrasing more like this:



, I think we'd see fewer thread-jackings and more meaningful conversations overall.

I agree, "IMHO" and "for my needs" goes along way. I for one love the stock reader UI of the Nook color, but then again Im just a general book reader and don't need 47 font's, or 200 margin options nor do I need above and beyond tagging and collections etc. Some do, some don't .

I don't like the kindle at all but I'm not popping into the Kindle board and telling them how much of a POS their device is.

but when a person comes on here daily to tell us what POS the nook color is and the new nook from BN will be a failed loser too. I'm not understanding why he is surprised he's labeled as such?

[RAH]

I agree that if jswinden would tone down his rhetoric, people might stop thinking he is a troll. If you write like a troll (e.g. calling things "garbage"), people will think you are. Although such writing is very common in web forums, it is somewhat juvenile, IMHO.

Originally Posted by RAH

I agree that if jswinden would tone down his rhetoric, people might stop thinking he is a troll. If you write like a troll (e.g. calling things "garbage"), people will think you are. Although such writing is very common in web forums, it is somewhat juvenile, IMHO.

I'm brutally honest and objective. If you had ever been around true academic scholarship you would understand my style. But the truth is a lot of the forum members are either Android cult members or Apple cult members who are way too closeminded to listen to an alternative opinion. You come to these forums to find likeminded folks who will uphold your preconceived beliefs and turn mean when your opinions are challenged. I've been repeatedly called a troll by both Android and Apple cults, even though i've owned, and still own, devices connected to both.

[anamardoll]

...................aaaand, I think we've exhausted this thread's potential for meaningful discussion. That's a shame.

[Jack Tingle]

Originally Posted by anamardoll

...................aaaand, I think we've exhausted this thread's potential for meaningful discussion. That's a shame.

Quite, and royally ticked off the originator of the thread, who sort of meant what the title of the thread said. Frankly, I don't care about OS wars. I've learned and forgotten more OSes than most people ever see[1]. I bought the NC to see if I liked the flavor of the OS. As it happens, I do. The fact that it's a cut down version of a full Android installation just might have come to my attention BEFORE I BOUGHT IT!

From which came the initial post's "Hmmm... What about this newfangled Android stuff? Is it any good? AHA! I can check it out for cheap with a Nook Color! (Note the clever rationaiization for buying a new toy?)"

The words 'cheap' and 'toy' should have been a clue, but no--let's get all angsty and rude and hijack a thread for soapboxes. If this is the quality of discourse on the Nook forum, I'll go back to the jetBook threads. They're slow moving, but much more polite.

Regardlessly,
Jack Tingle

[1] I'll see any OS you might offer and raise you the magnetic card programming on the Olivetti-Underwood Programmo 101. Most OSes work tolerably well. FYI, I still think late-mark VAX systems had the best overall balance for pure utility. They just weren't as pretty as the NC.

[boswd]

Originally Posted by Jack Tingle

Quite, and royally ticked off the originator of the thread, who sort of meant what the title of the thread said. Frankly, I don't care about OS wars. I've learned and forgotten more OSes than most people ever see[1]. I bought the NC to see if I liked the flavor of the OS. As it happens, I do. The fact that it's a cut down version of a full Android installation just might have come to my attention BEFORE I BOUGHT IT!

From which came the initial post's "Hmmm... What about this newfangled Android stuff? Is it any good? AHA! I can check it out for cheap with a Nook Color! (Note the clever rationaiization for buying a new toy?)"

The words 'cheap' and 'toy' should have been a clue, but no--let's get all angsty and rude and hijack a thread for soapboxes. If this is the quality of discourse on the Nook forum, I'll go back to the jetBook threads. They're slow moving, but much more polite.

Regardlessly,
Jack Tingle

[1] I'll see any OS you might offer and raise you the magnetic card programming on the Olivetti-Underwood Programmo 101. Most OSes work tolerably well. FYI, I still think late-mark VAX systems had the best overall balance for pure utility. They just weren't as pretty as the NC.

overall the rhetoric here on the nook board, is very pleasant and helpful and polite. But we do have a few who feel the need to jump in every thread and bash everything nook. I know of two posters specifically who do nothing but troll on the nook.

but overall most people on here are very helpful. You know what they say about a "few bad apples"? I sorry I couldn't help myself.

[anamardoll]

Originally Posted by Jack Tingle

Quite, and royally ticked off the originator of the thread, who sort of meant what the title of the thread said. Frankly, I don't care about OS wars. I've learned and forgotten more OSes than most people ever see[1]. I bought the NC to see if I liked the flavor of the OS. As it happens, I do. The fact that it's a cut down version of a full Android installation just might have come to my attention BEFORE I BOUGHT IT!

I'm sorry that you're ticked off, but to be fair - and I swear I'm not trying to be all A POX ON BOTH YOUR HOUSES or whatever - your OP was terribly confusing to me and, from this thread, a few others.

I get that you were being tongue-in-cheek, and that's fine, but it was hard to parse your tone to understand what the point of your OP was and what kind of responses you expected. Heck, I'm still not sure I know what responses you wanted.

If the point of your post was Nook Color. Nice. Happy with my purchase. then I and most of the rest of the B&N board are happy to congratulate you on your purchase. Yay!

If the point of your post was Nook Color. Nice. Happy with my purchase. Now I can sign a 2 year contract for one of those newfangled Android phones. then you shouldn't be too surprised to have the entire board go Wait. What. in varying degrees of urgency.

I think if you'd left out the first paragraph in your OP, this thread might have been clearer for everyone. In retrospect, I think I realize that your first paragraph was a framing device for your review, but at the time, it seemed like you were using your impressions of the NC to decide whether or not to buy an Android phone contract. And no matter how much you do or don't like your NC, you most definitely should not do that, because the NC experience and the Android smartphone experience are nothing alike, imho.

Still, I'm sorry your thread was derailed. You can use the emoticon, of course, but I'm not sure what you want the ON TOPIC posts to be. Help!

[khalleron]

Originally Posted by jswinden

I'm brutally honest and objective. If you had ever been around true academic scholarship you would understand my style.

As someone who's been around academia most of my life, I call BS.

Using emotional descriptors like 'garbage' is not 'objective'. It's about as subjective as you can get.

Again, BS.

[anamardoll]

Originally Posted by khalleron

As someone who's been around academia most of my life, I call BS.

Using emotional descriptors like 'garbage' is not 'objective'. It's about as subjective as you can get.

Again, BS.

I completely agree.

Not that I haven't had a lot of rude professors in my lifetime. But I don't think that bar is something to ASPIRE to.

[SCION]

I'll chime in and say that I like Jack's rough "exterior". I've followed his posts since I joined the forum and I recognize that's how he expresses his sentiments. I don't find it rude, it often brings a snicker or chuckle out of me. I don't believe his lack of social "niceties" should be viewed as a negative. He's being him. I'm willing to accept him for that. I'll also add that I have thick skin so maybe it just doesn't rub me the wrong way. If others don't like it, I respect that.

[anamardoll]

Originally Posted by SCION

I'll chime in and say that I like Jack's rough "exterior". I've followed his posts since I joined the forum and I recognize that's how he expresses his sentiments. I don't find it rude, it often brings a snicker or chuckle out of me. I don't believe his lack of social "niceties" should be viewed as a negative. He's being him. I'm willing to accept him for that. I'll also add that I have thick skin so maybe it just doesn't rub me the wrong way. If others don't like it, I respect that.

I respect that, but in addition to "being gruff" we're also seeing a LOT of thread jacking behavior from certain people in the last few weeks. The combination of the two isn't appropriate, in my opinion.

Also, it's important to note that the person didn't say, "I'm a gruff teddy bear, deal with it", but rather something like, "if you had spent any time around academia, you'd be used to this", and that's (a) not true, and (b) implies that the people in question are unschooled (and therefore supposedly ignorant).

That's not something most people are going to appreciate, regardless of how much they don't mind gruff teddy bears.