The Logic Of Copyright - Page 2

carpetmojo · 05-09-2011, 06:51 AM

And boring to boot.

DiapDealer · 05-09-2011, 07:15 AM

The squeaky wheel doesn't always get the grease. Sometimes it just gets banged on with a large crescent wrench. Stop imitating a broken record.

Some alternate conversation starters:
What was the last book you read? Did you like it? How do you like your Kindle? Would you buy another one? Have you ever been a victim of geo-restriction? Does your bubble-gum lose its flavor on the bed-post overnight? How deep's that creek over there?

Lemurion · 05-09-2011, 07:29 AM

It can be argued that making skin magazines unavailable to my eight-year-old daughter is a form of censorship; and while I believe in free speech, that form of "censorship" doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Also, your logic is flawed. It's a false equivalence. Copyright is the right of the owner to say "yes," while Censorship is the right of a third party to say "no."

To put it in little kid terms: Copyright is the right of the kid who says, "it's my ball." Censorship is that of the grumpy old man who says, "you can't play in my yard." Not the same.

avantman42 · 05-09-2011, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lemurion

It can be argued that making skin magazines unavailable to my eight-year-old daughter is a form of censorship; and while I believe in free speech, that form of "censorship" doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Also, your logic is flawed. It's a false equivalence. Copyright is the right of the owner to say "yes," while Censorship is the right of a third party to say "no."

To put it in little kid terms: Copyright is the right of the kid who says, "it's my ball." Censorship is that of the grumpy old man who says, "you can't play in my yard." Not the same.

Agreed on all counts (except that I have a three year old son, rather than an eight year old daughter

)

patrickt · 05-09-2011, 08:45 AM

No, it wasn't funny to being with. It is a false syllogism and the post is a troll.

Of course, then I was faced with a decision. "Is there any chance this troll will makie a useful post in the future." Nope. Ignore.

Giggleton · 05-09-2011, 09:36 AM

It seems like everyone is making up their own definitions for copyright and censorship, that's not very logical IMO. Oh well.

elcreative · 05-09-2011, 09:58 AM

Exactly... and I've just used ignore and realised how much better it is reading the threads without the G's clutter... long live ignore...

Quote:

Originally Posted by patrickt

No, it wasn't funny to being with. It is a false syllogism and the post is a troll.

Of course, then I was faced with a decision. "Is there any chance this troll will makie a useful post in the future." Nope. Ignore.

leebase · 05-09-2011, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giggleton

Greetings,

Since many of us are logical fans here's a little something to ponder,

1. No one is in favor of censorship
2. Copyright is censorship
3. Therefore, No one is in favor of copyright

Wrong. Copyright is OWNERSHIP. Everyone who isn't a naieve child is in favor of ownership.

Copyright is ownership. Everyone not brain dead is in favor of ownership. Ergo, those against copyright are brain dead.

Lee

leebase · 05-09-2011, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

The squeaky wheel doesn't always get the grease. Sometimes it just gets banged on with a large crescent wrench. Stop imitating a broken record.

Some alternate conversation starters:
What was the last book you read? Did you like it? How do you like your Kindle? Would you buy another one? Have you ever been a victim of geo-restriction? Does your bubble-gum lose its flavor on the bed-post overnight? How deep's that creek over there?

At least this is a new thread that folks can see from the title what it's about. I'm in support of him creating such a thread. I'm TIRED of him hijacking every OTHER thread to make it about his pet topic.

Lee

jgaiser · 05-09-2011, 10:30 AM

Giggleton is simply a troll and becoming a tiresome one. He's either naive or pulling people's chains. Either way he's done for me.

DiapDealer · 05-09-2011, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leebase

I'm TIRED of him hijacking every OTHER thread to make it about his pet topic.

We're in agreement, then.

mr ploppy · 05-09-2011, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giggleton

1. No one is in favor of censorship
:

Unfortunately you will find that is not the case at all. Censorship exists because a large majority of the population demands it, only a very small minority opposes it, and the remaining population just doesn't care one way or the other. A bit like copyright in that respect.

Giggleton · 05-09-2011, 08:35 PM

Well, I was just trying to point out that censorship is copyright, which I say it is, so it is. Just like someone says copyright is ownership so it is. Whether or not any of this means anything is not for anyone to decide.

I used No one is in favor of censorship since it seemed simpler than saying Some people dislike censorship.

Leyor · 05-09-2011, 09:04 PM

A much better premise:

Some people dislike copyright
Some people dislike censorship
Therefor some people dislike both copyright and censorship

elcreative · 05-09-2011, 09:43 PM

Conclusion here should be, "Therefore some people may dislike both copyright and censorship."

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leyor

A much better premise:

Some people dislike copyright
Some people dislike censorship
Therefor some people dislike both copyright and censorship

05-09-2011, 06:51 AM	#16
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05-09-2011, 07:15 AM	#17
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 28,569 Karma: 204127028 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	The squeaky wheel doesn't always get the grease. Sometimes it just gets banged on with a large crescent wrench. Stop imitating a broken record. Some alternate conversation starters: What was the last book you read? Did you like it? How do you like your Kindle? Would you buy another one? Have you ever been a victim of geo-restriction? Does your bubble-gum lose its flavor on the bed-post overnight? How deep's that creek over there?

05-09-2011, 07:29 AM	#18
Lemurion eReader Posts: 2,750 Karma: 4968470 Join Date: Aug 2007 Device: Note 5; PW3; Nook HD+; ChuWi Hi12; iPad	It can be argued that making skin magazines unavailable to my eight-year-old daughter is a form of censorship; and while I believe in free speech, that form of "censorship" doesn't bother me in the slightest. Also, your logic is flawed. It's a false equivalence. Copyright is the right of the owner to say "yes," while Censorship is the right of a third party to say "no." To put it in little kid terms: Copyright is the right of the kid who says, "it's my ball." Censorship is that of the grumpy old man who says, "you can't play in my yard." Not the same.

05-09-2011, 08:45 AM	#20
patrickt Wizard Posts: 1,221 Karma: 8381518 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Oaxaca, Mexico Device: Paperwhite 4 X 2	No, it wasn't funny to being with. It is a false syllogism and the post is a troll. Of course, then I was faced with a decision. "Is there any chance this troll will makie a useful post in the future." Nope. Ignore.

05-09-2011, 09:36 AM	#21
Giggleton Banned Posts: 1,687 Karma: 4368191 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Oregon Device: Kindle3	It seems like everyone is making up their own definitions for copyright and censorship, that's not very logical IMO. Oh well.

05-09-2011, 10:30 AM	#25
jgaiser Omnivorous Posts: 3,283 Karma: 27978909 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Rural NW Oregon Device: Kindle Voyage, Kindle Fire HD, Kindle 3, KPW1	Giggleton is simply a troll and becoming a tiresome one. He's either naive or pulling people's chains. Either way he's done for me.

05-09-2011, 08:35 PM	#28
Giggleton Banned Posts: 1,687 Karma: 4368191 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Oregon Device: Kindle3	Well, I was just trying to point out that censorship is copyright, which I say it is, so it is. Just like someone says copyright is ownership so it is. Whether or not any of this means anything is not for anyone to decide. I used No one is in favor of censorship since it seemed simpler than saying Some people dislike censorship.

05-09-2011, 09:04 PM	#29
Leyor Ninja Librarian Posts: 179 Karma: 347750 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denmark Device: Sony PRS-950, Cybook 3. gen, Sony T1, Kindle Paperwhite	A much better premise: Some people dislike copyright Some people dislike censorship Therefor some people dislike both copyright and censorship

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