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Old 02-21-2011, 02:07 PM   #16
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I have the Harry Potter books, deDRMed, and from a source other than Amazon, and they all open fine with Kindle for PC and on my Kindle. Might yours still have DRM from an earlier version of Kindle for PC?
There has never been any official HP ebooks, so none of them will have ever had DRM.
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Old 02-21-2011, 03:08 PM   #17
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Not until Rowling comes to her senses.

When she finally does, I will buy them all the day they come out.
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Not until Rowling comes to her senses.

When she finally does, I will buy them all the day they come out.
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Any laws broken (or not) would depend on where you live, but removing DRM is certainly against the terms of use for both Amazon's website and the Kindle (in both its hardware and software forms).

The Harry Potter story sounds like an urban myth to me, but I think anyone emailing pirate books through Amazon is plain daft anyway.
It was daft I admit, I am in the habit of emailing all my books via calibre, once it happened I assumed that books going via the Amazon email system went through a checking process and, as the Potter books had never been official, that these were prime to be flagged...
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The Harry Potter story sounds like an urban myth to me, but I think anyone emailing pirate books through Amazon is plain daft anyway.
Doing a google search on the removal of HP books from Kindles...

"And some customers have complained of the same experience with Harry Potter books. Amazon says the Kindle versions of all these books were illegal. Someone uploaded bootlegged copies using the Kindle Store's self-publishing system, and Amazon was only trying to look after publishers' intellectual property. "

http://www.slate.com/id/2223214/

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"Amazon appears to have deleted other purchased e-books from Kindles recently. Customers commenting on Web forums reported the disappearance of digital editions of the Harry Potter books and the novels of Ayn Rand over similar issues."

I can only assume that it was one of these versions that I have gotten hold of that contains the original metadata which reconverting removes...
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Old 02-21-2011, 03:50 PM   #21
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Doing a google search on the removal of HP books from Kindles...

"And some customers have complained of the same experience with Harry Potter books. Amazon says the Kindle versions of all these books were illegal. Someone uploaded bootlegged copies using the Kindle Store's self-publishing system, and Amazon was only trying to look after publishers' intellectual property. "
What happened to the person that was selling bootleg Potters on Amazon? That has to be up there with selling the complete Harlan Ellison ebook collection on Ebay as the daftest thing to think you would get away with.
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Doing a google search on the removal of HP books from Kindles...

"And some customers have complained of the same experience with Harry Potter books. Amazon says the Kindle versions of all these books were illegal. Someone uploaded bootlegged copies using the Kindle Store's self-publishing system, and Amazon was only trying to look after publishers' intellectual property. "

http://www.slate.com/id/2223214/

New York Times

"Amazon appears to have deleted other purchased e-books from Kindles recently. Customers commenting on Web forums reported the disappearance of digital editions of the Harry Potter books and the novels of Ayn Rand over similar issues."

I can only assume that it was one of these versions that I have gotten hold of that contains the original metadata which reconverting removes...
If those reports are true, it's interesting to wonder how Amazon would know it wasn't a copy someone personally and legally scanned and OCR'd..?
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Old 02-21-2011, 06:04 PM   #23
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If those reports are true, it's interesting to wonder how Amazon would know it wasn't a copy someone personally and legally scanned and OCR'd..?
My HP books are elsewhere but don't many books contains a "DO NOT COPY" warning at the front - meaning you cannot do it even for personal use??? Or have courts (US) actually okayed photocopying books you own for personal backup?
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Old 02-21-2011, 07:13 PM   #24
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If those reports are true, it's interesting to wonder how Amazon would know it wasn't a copy someone personally and legally scanned and OCR'd..?
The books that were removed, were sold through Amazon's do it yourself publishing service.

It's not like they scan all your books for any offending text. They knew the filename and their own id number for the book, so they deleted them.

Beyond that is "format shifting" books even legal? Not to mention, I'm sure millions of people have scanned in and OCRed their own HP books.
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The books that were removed, were sold through Amazon's do it yourself publishing service.
Ahh, ok. Of course. That makes sense.

Regarding scanning books in the US... The last I heard, there's no law either way, and the general consensus is that it's ok to do, as long as it's for personal use.

Basically, they treat it just like the copying of CD music. Personal use only, but no one has tested it in court. I think the music industry started to years ago, but backed off.

My personal lawyer says it's fine, so I feel safe.
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I recently read that Amazon made a statement that they would NOT delete ANY books on anybody's Kindle in the future. I think this decision was from the fallout of the deleted George Orwell books.
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I have loads of DRM free books on my Kindle, some purchased from independent publishers, some from the darknet. I wouldn't email them to my Kindle via Amazon through, I always add them direct via the Calibre 'send to device' button.
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Sorry, but after changing the name of the kindle I bought for my wife and the new name appeared in my amazon account. I will never turn the wireless on again. Not knowing what other information it is sending. I will transfer files via my computer only. It appears to me that the Kindle my have what is called Traitorware built into it. Now if there were a firewall that I could install to stop outgoing traffic that would be a different story. It works fine the way it is. So, I will probably not update the firmware as I see no need for the new options. Take care.
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Sorry, but after changing the name of the kindle I bought for my wife and the new name appeared in my amazon account. I will never turn the wireless on again.
You're kidding, right?!
Amazon is supposed to know the name of your registered Kindle. It's how they keep multiple devices registered to the same account separate. The name is how YOU choose which device you're buying/sending the ebook for/to -- especially when you're downloading the file to your PC and side-loading it.

If it's that big of a deal to you, I suggest deregistering the device from your account entirely. Or better yet, returning it for a device that has no wireless capabilities.
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If it's that big of a deal to you, I suggest deregistering the device from your account entirely. Or better yet, returning it for a device that has no wireless capabilities.
If he has no use for the wireless capabilities I see no real point in registering it with any Amazon account. I'm not sure what use all the information that the Kindle reports back to Amazon would be in that case.
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