Funniest thread of the forums - Page 2

astra · 02-20-2011, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Halk

I know I'm personally happier with my Sony. But I think for most people the Kindle is the better choice.

Could not agree more.
Doesn't matter how much I love my Sony, we have to be realistic.
Like Logan used to say:

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You have to be realistic!

Asawi · 02-20-2011, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Halk

On the other hand if you were to ask Sony users what we'd want... would we respond with wifi and being able to buy books "on the go" like you can do with the Kindle?

Nah, not me. A simple web browser and 3G, yeah, that could be nice, but not to buy books. If I could connect to the library though and borrow on the go, THAT would be super-duper-mega-cool!

Halk · 02-20-2011, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by astra

Could not agree more.
Doesn't matter how much I love my Sony, we have to be realistic.
Like Logan used to say:

The Sony Reader would be a far more convincing "premium choice" if it could do what the Kindle could do. Surely though Sony have to be working on that.

Pinecone · 02-20-2011, 04:44 PM

I have found a number of books on Amazon that are not on Sony Store.

elemenoP · 02-20-2011, 05:49 PM

Yep, my sister decided she wanted an ereader because she is tired of lugging a lot of books to her classes. We looked and some of her books were not available in e-format at all, some were available everywhere... and some were only available for Kindle. She is not as savvy with computers as I am (and I live across the country from her) so I don't think setting up Calibre and Tools is a realistic option for her. So a Kindle it is.

eP

SeaBookGuy · 02-20-2011, 07:30 PM

I think Sony might well have to offer web browsing on the next 6" model to compete with Amazon.

natasha_fawn · 02-20-2011, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Poppaea

Maybe you should seriously compare the Sony store to Amazon. The prices are alike. I have jet to find a book at Amazon I can't find at Sony's and the use of the Reader Library is not so hard to learn. With using the sync function it should be manageable for your mother. Most people do their search for a book on the computer anyway and only download it via wifi.

The Sony store is getting better, it does have some things it didn't last I checked, but it still doesn't have all of the choices Amazon has. That's fine for me, I'm willing to spend time looking elsewhere. It's not fine for my mother who doesn't like to spend time hunting for things, as easy as it may seem to other people.

Regarding the Reader Library etc., I've used it enough myself to know that my mother would not be comfortable with it. She is not of the computer generation and many things that are intuitive to you or I are confusing to her. For me there is no "should," there's only what she is likely to be happy with and what she isn't. Plugging the reader into the computer (which requires a cord she may or may not be able to find) every time she wants a book falls into the "isn't happy with" category.

I stand by my argument that the Kindle is flat easier to use for a non-tech inclined person who just wants to buy and read books easily. It is not perfect, it is not best for everyone or even for everyone who thinks it's best, and it's not what I want (I love my Sony and I did an awful lot of research before choosing it), but the Kindle is a good device that works well and has the most convenient feature set for many people.

SeaBookGuy · 02-20-2011, 08:18 PM

I happen to be lucky enough to have an incredibly terrific library system.

My parents, on the other hand, have a pretty good system, that's not all that well-located to obtain print books; moreover, there really aren't any print stores all that convenient to them either (plus my dad is 82 with Parkinsons). The Kindle works great for them!

The 950 costs $100 more than the K3 w/3G.

jehane · 02-21-2011, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Halk

On the other hand if you were to ask Sony users what we'd want... would we respond with wifi and being able to buy books "on the go" like you can do with the Kindle?

Not me. Ironically the place I used to go to for free wifi was ... the library. No, I don't have wi-fi at home.

US posters should remember that Amazon is not nearly as dominant outside of the US; neither is there free wi-fi on every corner and in some places, Amazon still surcharges for downloads.

As for what I might wish for ... free 3g with the ability to go to *any* website to download books, eg library, smashwords, author sites... in epub of course. :P

Halk · 02-21-2011, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jehane

Not me. Ironically the place I used to go to for free wifi was ... the library. No, I don't have wi-fi at home.

US posters should remember that Amazon is not nearly as dominant outside of the US; neither is there free wi-fi on every corner and in some places, Amazon still surcharges for downloads.

As for what I might wish for ... free 3g with the ability to go to *any* website to download books, eg library, smashwords, author sites... in epub of course. :P

We'd snap it right up if Sony upgraded the Reader to not only have wifi, but set it up to puchase/receive books through websites.

We could go to Fictionwise, for example, would would detect the device being used to connect to their website as the reader.. easily log in to their system and download books from our library shelves, buy books etc.

Sony would of course need to choose between locking it to their own store only - to tie in some profits in an Amazon/Apple style, or going for broader appeal by allowing them to connect to any compatible store.

I personally don't see any need for 3G. Not in the UK or USA anyway. I don't know anyone in the UK without a wifi in their home (I'm sure there are some people). There's wifi hotspots all over the UK. I'm pretty sure that the USA is peppered with them as well.

All easily done, if they'd just add wifi. I know the Kindle is killing the Reader for sales, but it doesn't change the fact that the Reader is selling tons, there's plenty of room in the market for a worldwide Reader that works on wifi.

Piper_ · 02-21-2011, 04:19 PM

Good post, Halk.

Just one note:

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Originally Posted by Halk

Sony would of course need to choose between locking it to their own store only - to tie in some profits in an Amazon/Apple style, or going for broader appeal by allowing them to connect to any compatible store.

To be fair, Amazon lets Kindles connect and buy from compatible stores.

DRM is the only thing you have to watch for, just like when buying epubs for Sony at other stores.

astra · 02-21-2011, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Piper_

To be fair, Amazon lets Kindles connect and buy from compatible stores.

Do you mean you can purchase DRM-infected books for Kindle in other ebook shops besides Amazon Kindle shop directly to Kindle?

Halk · 02-21-2011, 04:23 PM

I wasn't aware that Amazon had done that. However they're still using a closed format, and they're still trying to use their products to push their productsby exclusion.

DRM I'm now less bothered than I once was. If it's got DRM then I view it as an inferior product, but if it's the book I want to read and it's a decent price then it's ok.

Piper_ · 02-21-2011, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by astra

Do you mean you can purchase DRM-infected books for Kindle in other ebook shops besides Amazon Kindle shop directly to Kindle?

No...

That's why I said "DRM is the only thing you have to watch for, just like when buying epubs for Sony at other stores."

Piper_ · 02-21-2011, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Halk

I wasn't aware that Amazon had done that. However they're still using a closed format, and they're still trying to use their products to push their productsby exclusion.

DRM I'm now less bothered than I once was. If it's got DRM then I view it as an inferior product, but if it's the book I want to read and it's a decent price then it's ok.

It's frustrating, isn't it. Being a multi-device family, I wish all stores and devices were compatible with each other in both format and drm.

(If they must use drm at all - I think it's a waste that just punishes honest people.)

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02-20-2011, 04:44 PM	#19
Pinecone Guru Posts: 902 Karma: 1660722 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Maryland Device: PRS-650, PRS-600, PRS-350	I have found a number of books on Amazon that are not on Sony Store.

02-20-2011, 05:49 PM	#20
elemenoP Wizard Posts: 1,717 Karma: 3790058 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: NYC Device: Kindle Paperwhite, Sony 650	Yep, my sister decided she wanted an ereader because she is tired of lugging a lot of books to her classes. We looked and some of her books were not available in e-format at all, some were available everywhere... and some were only available for Kindle. She is not as savvy with computers as I am (and I live across the country from her) so I don't think setting up Calibre and Tools is a realistic option for her. So a Kindle it is. eP

02-20-2011, 07:30 PM	#21
SeaBookGuy Can one read too much? Posts: 2,029 Karma: 2487799 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Naples, FL Device: Kindle PW 3, Sony 350 and 650	I think Sony might well have to offer web browsing on the next 6" model to compete with Amazon.

02-20-2011, 08:18 PM	#23
SeaBookGuy Can one read too much? Posts: 2,029 Karma: 2487799 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Naples, FL Device: Kindle PW 3, Sony 350 and 650	I happen to be lucky enough to have an incredibly terrific library system. My parents, on the other hand, have a pretty good system, that's not all that well-located to obtain print books; moreover, there really aren't any print stores all that convenient to them either (plus my dad is 82 with Parkinsons). The Kindle works great for them! The 950 costs $100 more than the K3 w/3G.

02-21-2011, 04:23 PM	#28
Halk Fanatic Posts: 538 Karma: 469999 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Scotland Device: Sony PRS-650 (PRS+ alpha - thanks Kartu!)	I wasn't aware that Amazon had done that. However they're still using a closed format, and they're still trying to use their products to push their productsby exclusion. DRM I'm now less bothered than I once was. If it's got DRM then I view it as an inferior product, but if it's the book I want to read and it's a decent price then it's ok.

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