Your Annotation Strategy...? - Page 2

kennyc · 04-05-2011, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tubemonkey

Mine is very simple - I don't. I never marked paper books, so I don't see the need to do so with digital books. I just read them.

I'm with the monkey on this.

Penforhire · 04-06-2011, 12:51 PM

Anyone else use Microsoft's OneNote for this sort of data collection? I worry the format is not future-proof. It is not as much as, say, RTF format. But the ease of organizing and searching, along with containing just about anything (images, sound) makes it the best piece of MS Office software hardly anyone uses, lol.

loyukfai · 04-07-2011, 01:24 PM

Good call! Indeed OneNote is a rather hidden gem.

There are a few concerns through... On 2007 (which I use), the OneNote printer doesn't work on 64-bit Windows, and while there is an XPS add-on, the inserted images aren't being OCRed automatically, have to do it manually page by page, which becomes kind of impractical.

Besides, the annotations cannot be indexed or searched easily, right? For example, if one make use of the highlighter, he cannot generate a list of highlighted text, but rather have to go through the entire document to search for them.

And the filesize seems to err on the large end, understandbly, as the content is inserted as images.

Lastly, as you've mentioned, the format is closed.

I can imagine syncing the .one files locally or via the cloud (e.g. Dropbox), the files are self-contained, AFAIK.

Hopefully there will be an (good) Android client besides the iOS and WP ones, soon.

Since I have some books to be scanned manually (probably into TIF/PDF) anyway, OneNote seems to be a good option, as annotating TIF/PDF aren't that easy either.

Cheers.

P.S. Will also be checking out Xournal, suggested in this post https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...54&postcount=2

Hellmark · 04-07-2011, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loyukfai

P.S. Will also be checking out Xournal, suggested in this post https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...54&postcount=2

Long time Xournal user, but one thing I really have to nit pick about it is the lack of an OCR.

loyukfai · 04-07-2011, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hellmark

Long time Xournal user, but one thing I really have to nit pick about it is the lack of an OCR.

Does it concern the content of the book, the annotations, or both...?

Cheers.

Hellmark · 04-07-2011, 02:53 PM

Both. No OCR ability what so ever.

Also, existing text from the PDF cannot be treated as text (so the text edit tool doesn't work). Other tools do support editing the text, providing that it is really text and not just an image that shows text (which you do run into some times).

loyukfai · 04-08-2011, 01:52 PM

There seems to be some (mainly commercial, but you may find one bundled with a scanner/MFP product) software that can turn TIFF images into PDF whilst providing OCR capability.

Some of them have been listed here:

http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/200...nsored-by.html

A few of them can let you OCR existing PDF.

Cheers.

mike_bike_kite · 04-08-2011, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tubemonkey

Mine is very simple - I don't

I once lent one of my technical books to a colleague - it came back with various sections highlighted and comments all over the margins. We had a little discussion about this and I'm confident he'll never do it to anyone else's books in the future

Giggleton · 04-08-2011, 03:56 PM

At the moment, I just highlight passages and then either post them to facebook or try to find the referenced passage in ebook form, most of the time the references are not available in ebook form which I don't like at all.

I did try actually editing on the Kindle but the interface just isn't designed for it IMO, that doesn't mean it won't be redesigned in the future to allow for easy edits and uploads of edits to the author.

Hellmark · 04-08-2011, 05:30 PM

I ran some tech docs through Google Doc's PDF scanner, which seems to be based on their OCRopus, and had pretty good results. The low quality, raster images for all text, and tech jargon didn't mess it up too much

loyukfai · 04-10-2011, 01:44 PM

Can I use Google's to OCR a PDF and have the text embedded in it...?

loyukfai · 04-14-2011, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loyukfai

There seems to be some (mainly commercial, but you may find one bundled with a scanner/MFP product) software that can turn TIFF images into PDF whilst providing OCR capability.

The Readiris soft came with some HP printers are bundled version which must work with the HP Solutions Centre... Seems not able to do the job...

BTW, MS Office's Document Imaging also has an OCR function, but it's limited to TIF files. Acrobat Pro can also OCR PDF. Though not quite viable if you don't already have them cause of the prices.

Cheers.

References:

http://irislink.com/c2-1759-189/Readiris-FAQ.aspx
http://irislink.com/c10-1800-41/HP-Resource-Center.aspx

Hellmark · 04-14-2011, 04:08 PM

If you use the one for google docs, what it does is create a new document as best as it can from the existing PDF. If you have a PDF that is just raster images for each page, meaning no embedded text, then it will have on each page the image followed by the text of what was in the image. From there you can clean it up and change as needed.

anamardoll · 04-14-2011, 05:44 PM

I annotate on my touch screen devices (android phone, rooted nook color) with Moon+. There's a very nice export functionality in that reader that lets me send all my annotations to my email account. Lovely.

On my non touch screen devices (nook classic), I don't annotate.

I actually plan my reading based on whether or not I'll want to annotate the book. Fiction is for quick reading (usually) with the occasional bookmark if I really need to revisit a page later. Non-fiction cries out for highlighting and note-taking.

Before e-reading, I used highlighters and colored pens.

1611mac · 04-14-2011, 05:54 PM

As an educator most of my reads are for reference and so I make a lot of notes and highlights. I use Kindle for Mac and the iPad Kindle app. When done with a book on the iPad I copy the .mbp file from the iPad back to the Kindle for Mac library via the Kindle app in iTunes.

When the mobi file is opened from calibre the .mobi file is copied from calibre lib to kindle lib if it isn't there and so the mobi file so the mpb file need always be current in the Kindle Lib.

04-07-2011, 01:24 PM	#18
loyukfai Zealot Posts: 138 Karma: 4260 Join Date: Jan 2011 Device: none	Good call! Indeed OneNote is a rather hidden gem. There are a few concerns through... On 2007 (which I use), the OneNote printer doesn't work on 64-bit Windows, and while there is an XPS add-on, the inserted images aren't being OCRed automatically, have to do it manually page by page, which becomes kind of impractical. Besides, the annotations cannot be indexed or searched easily, right? For example, if one make use of the highlighter, he cannot generate a list of highlighted text, but rather have to go through the entire document to search for them. And the filesize seems to err on the large end, understandbly, as the content is inserted as images. Lastly, as you've mentioned, the format is closed. I can imagine syncing the .one files locally or via the cloud (e.g. Dropbox), the files are self-contained, AFAIK. Hopefully there will be an (good) Android client besides the iOS and WP ones, soon. Since I have some books to be scanned manually (probably into TIF/PDF) anyway, OneNote seems to be a good option, as annotating TIF/PDF aren't that easy either. Cheers. P.S. Will also be checking out Xournal, suggested in this post https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...54&postcount=2 Last edited by loyukfai; 04-07-2011 at 01:32 PM.

04-08-2011, 01:52 PM	#22
loyukfai Zealot Posts: 138 Karma: 4260 Join Date: Jan 2011 Device: none	There seems to be some (mainly commercial, but you may find one bundled with a scanner/MFP product) software that can turn TIFF images into PDF whilst providing OCR capability. Some of them have been listed here: http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/200...nsored-by.html A few of them can let you OCR existing PDF. Cheers. Last edited by loyukfai; 04-08-2011 at 01:55 PM.

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04-06-2011, 12:51 PM	#17
Penforhire Wizard Posts: 2,230 Karma: 7145404 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern California Device: Kindle Voyage & iPhone 7+	Anyone else use Microsoft's OneNote for this sort of data collection? I worry the format is not future-proof. It is not as much as, say, RTF format. But the ease of organizing and searching, along with containing just about anything (images, sound) makes it the best piece of MS Office software hardly anyone uses, lol.

04-07-2011, 02:53 PM	#21
Hellmark Wizard Posts: 2,592 Karma: 4290425 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Foristell, Missouri, USA Device: Nokia N800, PRS-505, Nook STR Glowlight, Kindle 3, Kobo Libra 2	Both. No OCR ability what so ever. Also, existing text from the PDF cannot be treated as text (so the text edit tool doesn't work). Other tools do support editing the text, providing that it is really text and not just an image that shows text (which you do run into some times).

04-08-2011, 03:56 PM	#24
Giggleton Banned Posts: 1,687 Karma: 4368191 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Oregon Device: Kindle3	At the moment, I just highlight passages and then either post them to facebook or try to find the referenced passage in ebook form, most of the time the references are not available in ebook form which I don't like at all. I did try actually editing on the Kindle but the interface just isn't designed for it IMO, that doesn't mean it won't be redesigned in the future to allow for easy edits and uploads of edits to the author.

04-08-2011, 05:30 PM	#25
Hellmark Wizard Posts: 2,592 Karma: 4290425 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Foristell, Missouri, USA Device: Nokia N800, PRS-505, Nook STR Glowlight, Kindle 3, Kobo Libra 2	I ran some tech docs through Google Doc's PDF scanner, which seems to be based on their OCRopus, and had pretty good results. The low quality, raster images for all text, and tech jargon didn't mess it up too much

04-10-2011, 01:44 PM	#26
loyukfai Zealot Posts: 138 Karma: 4260 Join Date: Jan 2011 Device: none	Can I use Google's to OCR a PDF and have the text embedded in it...?

04-14-2011, 04:08 PM	#28
Hellmark Wizard Posts: 2,592 Karma: 4290425 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Foristell, Missouri, USA Device: Nokia N800, PRS-505, Nook STR Glowlight, Kindle 3, Kobo Libra 2	If you use the one for google docs, what it does is create a new document as best as it can from the existing PDF. If you have a PDF that is just raster images for each page, meaning no embedded text, then it will have on each page the image followed by the text of what was in the image. From there you can clean it up and change as needed.

04-14-2011, 05:44 PM	#29
anamardoll Chasing Butterflies Posts: 3,132 Karma: 5074169 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: American Southwest Device: Uses batteries.	I annotate on my touch screen devices (android phone, rooted nook color) with Moon+. There's a very nice export functionality in that reader that lets me send all my annotations to my email account. Lovely. On my non touch screen devices (nook classic), I don't annotate. I actually plan my reading based on whether or not I'll want to annotate the book. Fiction is for quick reading (usually) with the occasional bookmark if I really need to revisit a page later. Non-fiction cries out for highlighting and note-taking. Before e-reading, I used highlighters and colored pens.

04-14-2011, 05:54 PM	#30
1611mac eWanderer Posts: 523 Karma: 1441998 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: NC, USA Device: iMac,iPad3,iPhone5-Kindle Fire,Touch,PaperWhite	As an educator most of my reads are for reference and so I make a lot of notes and highlights. I use Kindle for Mac and the iPad Kindle app. When done with a book on the iPad I copy the .mbp file from the iPad back to the Kindle for Mac library via the Kindle app in iTunes. When the mobi file is opened from calibre the .mobi file is copied from calibre lib to kindle lib if it isn't there and so the mobi file so the mpb file need always be current in the Kindle Lib.

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