Digital Harry Potter manuscript allegedly stolen - Page 2

stxopher · 06-22-2007, 05:50 PM

Oh, how I hope this is false and some horrid, horrid ruffian hasn't posted this stolen work to the net. If they have, it will be a sad day indeed since I'm sure we all agree with the author that no one will buy the actual hardback then.

If it were true, I wonder if I could convince people that the only way to get the copies off the net would be to download them all out of the internet and onto the local hard drives. The only way to prevent thieves from stealing them will be to steal it before they do! Piracy for great justice!

(Don't laugh. Worked for a man once that was sure that there were only so many of each downloadable item and if he got them all he could resell them at a higher price. Ahhh, the mysterious internet.)

CommanderROR · 06-22-2007, 05:52 PM

Well, it looks like there is a complete fanfiction version out there, from the language it would seem to be written by an american. This is the file I found most often. It might be a good story, but it does not have the feel of a genuine HP story (just read the first few lines).

There is another, incomplete version out. It is not so widely spread but it looks more genuine...who knows...might be the real deal but not complete or and earlier draft...or something completely different.
the only question is...will I read it?

I found a funny quote from JK Rowlings publisher claiming that this book "will not land in the internet like the others"...a strange notion if you ask me...if it's printed somebody will scan it...ever tried to DRM a paper-book?

NatCh · 06-22-2007, 06:03 PM

Maybe she thinks they've come up with some sort of non-scanable ink or something.

Or perhaps she meant that it won't end up on the internet by the same route as the others, and that was a sneaky way of saying that there would be a released e-version. Nah. couldn't be that.

If this hacker rumor is true, though, it'll probably end up on the internet in a totally different way way (posted as an actual e-file, rather than an scanned & OCR'd one) than the other ones, which would make her statement true, just not the way she meant it.

TadW · 06-22-2007, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by NatCh

If this hacker rumor is true, though, it'll probably end up on the internet in a totally different way way (posted as an actual e-file, rather than an scanned & OCR'd one) than the other ones, which would make her statement true, just not the way she meant it.

Imagine how the irony of this would have to sting.

CommanderROR · 06-22-2007, 06:21 PM

btw...I just started on the other version I found and it's also a fanfiction version. The beginning is not bad, but it's this thing with the "Horcruxes" or whatever it's called...and incomplete as well...now what are those fan-writers thinking...

So I guess I'll just wait and see what for the real book anyway...

CommanderROR · 06-22-2007, 06:31 PM

Oh btw...anyone taking bets on the fact that Dumbledore is not dead?
I know my way around Fantasy novels, and in very many cases the great wizard dies or vanishes only to come back again, sometimes even more powerful than ever.

rwsimon · 06-22-2007, 07:15 PM

There are whole websites devoted to Potter fan fiction. The stuff is not in any way portrayed as being written by Rowling. In the case of the 7 Horcruxes fan fiction novel, what seems to have happened is that it jumped around from website to website until its origins were totally obscured. It's only in this game of telegraph where anybody claims it to be a leaked version of the next real book. If you trace it to its source, it is very clear that it is nothing more than somebody's homage to their favorite fictional universe. Joys of the internet!

igorsk · 06-22-2007, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stxopher

Oh, how I hope this is false and some horrid, horrid ruffian hasn't posted this stolen work to the net. If they have, it will be a sad day indeed since I'm sure we all agree with the author that no one will buy the actual hardback then.

You're wrong.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CommanderROR

Oh btw...anyone taking bets on the fact that Dumbledore is not dead?
I know my way around Fantasy novels, and in very many cases the great wizard dies or vanishes only to come back again, sometimes even more powerful than ever.

Sounds like this book is for you.

NatCh · 06-22-2007, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by igorsk

Quote:

Originally Posted by stxopher

Oh, how I hope this is false and some horrid, horrid ruffian hasn't posted this stolen work to the net. If they have, it will be a sad day indeed since I'm sure we all agree with the author that no one will buy the actual hardback then.

You're wrong.

I think he's being sarcastic, igorsk.

tribble · 06-23-2007, 02:19 AM

Hehe, i already ordered the book several month ago, and i am pretty sure that i WILL read it in the iLiad

CommanderROR · 06-23-2007, 03:43 AM

I'll join you there Tribble...

@igorsk

I read the article on the website you linked to...very interesting stuff...but I'm not going to read that Langford book. I'm just not into analyzing what might or might not be in the next HP book. I just read and see, but sometimes something "obvious" shows up and makes me wonder whether I'm right...that's why I "offered" the bet. I remember reading HP 6 and thinking when Dumbledore died:
"He's not dead, no way!" But I'd actually like to be wrong...many fantasy books follow the "Tolkien Plan" (or something similar) too closely. Maybe it's like Jasper Fforrde says in his Thursday Next novels...^^

I might read other books Langford wrote since he seems to be a fantasy writer himself...I'll have to see what I can find.

NatCh · 06-23-2007, 10:53 AM

Massive Spoiler Alert! Do NOT read this post if you haven't read the Harry Potter books, unless you want to know a bunch of significant plot points ahead of time! You've been warned.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CommanderROR

I remember reading HP 6 and thinking when Dumbledore died: "He's not dead, no way!" But I'd actually like to be wrong...many fantasy books follow the "Tolkien Plan" (or something similar) too closely.

I really do think he's really most sincerely dead. It'd be too much to be believable for him to come back.

Drinking all that potion (which you know can't have been good for him), hit with the Avada Cadavra, falling from the highest, mind you, tower in the castle, and definitely hitting the ground.

All of that, in front of the entire school for witnesses. Then several days later Hagrid carries his body (the body itself, not a casket) out, again in front of a huge crowd of witnesses, and it's magically encased in the tomb.

I could buy that his body might not actually be in the tomb, but that's just too large a witness load to accept that somehow the were all fooled -- just too much disbelief to suspend.

About the only thing she could pull, and I still think this is way too thin, is to have given him some sort of phoenix related charm/ability/whatever, so that he's really dead, but comes back from being actually dead, rather than presumed dead. We do have his phoenix Fawkes as a possible 'hint' of that sort of thing, but I really don't think so.

In the Tolkien model, the 'dead' wizard is presumed dead, people see him fall, blow up, get carried off, sink into the sea, etc. They don't see his dead corpse, or see it buried, that's more of a New Testament model, and Rowling hasn't made any real Biblical allusions that I've noticed ... with the possible exception of the term "hoarcrux."

But I think the biggest evidence that Dumbledore is really dead is that Snape is still alive -- the "Unbreakable Vow" that Snape took at the beginning of HP6, was basically to kill Dumbledore if Malfoy didn't, and we know that the Unbreakable Vow kills you if you try to break it, so if Snape hadn't killed Dumbledore, Snape wouldn't still be alive. I don't really think he hated Dumbledore enough for the Avada Cadavra to have killed him by itself, but the curse threw him off the tower, so there you go.

Then too, I think I remember reading somewhere that Rowling had said that he really was dead.

yvanleterrible · 06-23-2007, 11:54 AM

JK put a spell on the E-HP7. It's a worm. Every computer caught with the version on launch day will fry!

branko · 06-23-2007, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CommanderROR

many fantasy books follow the "Tolkien Plan" (or something similar) too closely

It's called the hero pattern. If you thought other Fantasy books are bad in this respect, check out the New Testament. Of all other classical heroes, Jesus Christ only has to let Oedipus and Perseus before him, beating Hercules, Robin Hood and many others of the greats. And you cannot really blame him for not marrying a princess. I've always considered marrying a weak point in the pattern; it means you have your priorities divided, and though that may make for a nicely tragic hero (Spiderman, anyone?), it doesn't make for a classic hero IMHO.

Having said that, the most likely candidate for dying and then resurrecting is Harry Potter himself. (If that hasn't already happened: I've only read the first book. Of course now you are going to argue that that already happened in the first book.)

CommanderROR · 06-23-2007, 12:40 PM

@NatCh

Severus Snape is actually one of the strange points. He is quite undeniably evil, yet Dumbledore let's him pester Harry without interfering. Dumbeldore trusts Snape and let's him into most of the secrets.

Now, the way I see it this is one loooong foreshadow.

Nobody really trusts Snape apart from Dumbledore which means he probably made some kind of master-plan right in the beginning, long before Harry Potter gets to Hogwarts and Severus Snape is going to be one of the main keys to destroying Voldemort.
Either he is an unwitting decoy of some sort, or he is really (for some reason) 100% loyal to Dumbledore and killing him is part of the plan.
Remember that Dumbledore is called the "Greatest Wizard of All Times", he might have made an elaborate counter-spell that causes the Deadly Curse that Snape directs at him to trigger a deathlike sleep, maybe even something that puts him into some kind of "immortal Stasis" where nothing physical can harm him.

The point of this would be this:

Snape regains the full trust of Voldemort AND Voldemort sees his most dangerous foe gone and decides to openly take action thus revealing himself to his enemies in full for the first time and making it possible for Harry Potter and his friends (with guidance from a strange source that later turns out to be Dumbledore) to find and defeat Voldemort.

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06-22-2007, 05:50 PM	#16
stxopher Nameless Being	Oh, how I hope this is false and some horrid, horrid ruffian hasn't posted this stolen work to the net. If they have, it will be a sad day indeed since I'm sure we all agree with the author that no one will buy the actual hardback then. If it were true, I wonder if I could convince people that the only way to get the copies off the net would be to download them all out of the internet and onto the local hard drives. The only way to prevent thieves from stealing them will be to steal it before they do! Piracy for great justice! (Don't laugh. Worked for a man once that was sure that there were only so many of each downloadable item and if he got them all he could resell them at a higher price. Ahhh, the mysterious internet.)

06-22-2007, 05:52 PM	#17
CommanderROR eink fanatic Posts: 2,022 Karma: 4924 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Germany Device: STAReBOOK, iRex Iliad, Sony 505, Kindle 2	Well, it looks like there is a complete fanfiction version out there, from the language it would seem to be written by an american. This is the file I found most often. It might be a good story, but it does not have the feel of a genuine HP story (just read the first few lines). There is another, incomplete version out. It is not so widely spread but it looks more genuine...who knows...might be the real deal but not complete or and earlier draft...or something completely different. the only question is...will I read it? I found a funny quote from JK Rowlings publisher claiming that this book "will not land in the internet like the others"...a strange notion if you ask me...if it's printed somebody will scan it...ever tried to DRM a paper-book?

06-22-2007, 06:03 PM	#18
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	Maybe she thinks they've come up with some sort of non-scanable ink or something. Or perhaps she meant that it won't end up on the internet by the same route as the others, and that was a sneaky way of saying that there would be a released e-version. Nah. couldn't be that. If this hacker rumor is true, though, it'll probably end up on the internet in a totally different way way (posted as an actual e-file, rather than an scanned & OCR'd one) than the other ones, which would make her statement true, just not the way she meant it.

06-22-2007, 06:21 PM	#20
CommanderROR eink fanatic Posts: 2,022 Karma: 4924 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Germany Device: STAReBOOK, iRex Iliad, Sony 505, Kindle 2	btw...I just started on the other version I found and it's also a fanfiction version. The beginning is not bad, but it's this thing with the "Horcruxes" or whatever it's called...and incomplete as well...now what are those fan-writers thinking... So I guess I'll just wait and see what for the real book anyway...

06-22-2007, 06:31 PM	#21
CommanderROR eink fanatic Posts: 2,022 Karma: 4924 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Germany Device: STAReBOOK, iRex Iliad, Sony 505, Kindle 2	Oh btw...anyone taking bets on the fact that Dumbledore is not dead? I know my way around Fantasy novels, and in very many cases the great wizard dies or vanishes only to come back again, sometimes even more powerful than ever.

06-22-2007, 07:15 PM	#22
rwsimon Connoisseur Posts: 50 Karma: 288 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Upstate New York Device: 2 Sony PRS-500s, iPad	There are whole websites devoted to Potter fan fiction. The stuff is not in any way portrayed as being written by Rowling. In the case of the 7 Horcruxes fan fiction novel, what seems to have happened is that it jumped around from website to website until its origins were totally obscured. It's only in this game of telegraph where anybody claims it to be a leaked version of the next real book. If you trace it to its source, it is very clear that it is nothing more than somebody's homage to their favorite fictional universe. Joys of the internet!

06-23-2007, 02:19 AM	#25
tribble iLiad Maniac Posts: 1,382 Karma: 2369 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Device: Bookeen Opus (i love that thing) and iPad (what an irony)	Hehe, i already ordered the book several month ago, and i am pretty sure that i WILL read it in the iLiad

06-23-2007, 03:43 AM	#26
CommanderROR eink fanatic Posts: 2,022 Karma: 4924 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Germany Device: STAReBOOK, iRex Iliad, Sony 505, Kindle 2	I'll join you there Tribble... @igorsk I read the article on the website you linked to...very interesting stuff...but I'm not going to read that Langford book. I'm just not into analyzing what might or might not be in the next HP book. I just read and see, but sometimes something "obvious" shows up and makes me wonder whether I'm right...that's why I "offered" the bet. I remember reading HP 6 and thinking when Dumbledore died: "He's not dead, no way!" But I'd actually like to be wrong...many fantasy books follow the "Tolkien Plan" (or something similar) too closely. Maybe it's like Jasper Fforrde says in his Thursday Next novels...^^ I might read other books Langford wrote since he seems to be a fantasy writer himself...I'll have to see what I can find.

06-23-2007, 11:54 AM	#28
yvanleterrible Reborn Paper User Posts: 8,616 Karma: 15446734 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Que Nada Device: iPhone8, iPad Air	JK put a spell on the E-HP7. It's a worm. Every computer caught with the version on launch day will fry!

06-23-2007, 12:40 PM	#30
CommanderROR eink fanatic Posts: 2,022 Karma: 4924 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Germany Device: STAReBOOK, iRex Iliad, Sony 505, Kindle 2	@NatCh Severus Snape is actually one of the strange points. He is quite undeniably evil, yet Dumbledore let's him pester Harry without interfering. Dumbeldore trusts Snape and let's him into most of the secrets. Now, the way I see it this is one loooong foreshadow. Nobody really trusts Snape apart from Dumbledore which means he probably made some kind of master-plan right in the beginning, long before Harry Potter gets to Hogwarts and Severus Snape is going to be one of the main keys to destroying Voldemort. Either he is an unwitting decoy of some sort, or he is really (for some reason) 100% loyal to Dumbledore and killing him is part of the plan. Remember that Dumbledore is called the "Greatest Wizard of All Times", he might have made an elaborate counter-spell that causes the Deadly Curse that Snape directs at him to trigger a deathlike sleep, maybe even something that puts him into some kind of "immortal Stasis" where nothing physical can harm him. The point of this would be this: Snape regains the full trust of Voldemort AND Voldemort sees his most dangerous foe gone and decides to openly take action thus revealing himself to his enemies in full for the first time and making it possible for Harry Potter and his friends (with guidance from a strange source that later turns out to be Dumbledore) to find and defeat Voldemort.

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