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c861556 · 10-16-2010, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by desertgrandma

No. But you have to use common sense.

Common sense is not that common.

whitearrow · 10-16-2010, 03:24 PM

The Kindle should not connect to a wifi network unless you specifically click on it. If you accidentally clicked and connected to a network you didn't intend, there's a "forget" option.

Tiersten · 10-16-2010, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by whitearrow

The Kindle should not connect to a wifi network unless you specifically click on it. If you accidentally clicked and connected to a network you didn't intend, there's a "forget" option.

Exactly. Too many people are spreading false information about this. The Kindle only connects to WiFi access points that it has connected to before even if they've got no protection OR if it is an AT&T WiFi Hotspot. It won't connect automatically to any other access point.

If the Kindle is connecting automatically then you've connected to that WiFi access point previously and need to delete that association yourself. Don't blame Amazon or the Kindle.

HarryT · 10-16-2010, 04:51 PM

When the original poster says "it has conected to 7 networks", I'm pretty sure that he actually means that 7 networks are visible to the Kindle, not that it has "connected" to them.

kevinofengland · 10-16-2010, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

In the UK is it a criminal offence to use a wireless network without permission. People have been prosecuted for it. Don't do it.

Thanks for the info, i turned the wifi off and tried to get a bok off the website and it keeps asking me to turn wifi on when its a 3g as well. do i have to change a setting?

thanks

Kev

Just checked the WIFI is off but the wireless is on (is that the 3G) if so, I havn't conected to other peoples networks?

Tiersten · 10-16-2010, 07:59 PM

The wireless setting turns WiFi AND 3G on/off. You can't do one only.

Albright · 10-17-2010, 01:42 AM

You should be very leery about connecting to wireless networks you haven't set up yourself, either with a Kindle or with any other device. You don't know the intentions of the person who set it up. It would be pretty easy for a ne'er-do-well to set up a wireless network without encryption which logs data sent to and from banking or shopping sites, then wait for some sucker to come along, connect to their network, and then visit one of those sites. Even in places where you're invited to connect to the network, like hotels and coffee shops, it's probably a good idea to avoid any network transaction which involves sensitive or personal information - perhaps the network you're connecting to was actually set up by another customer with ill intentions, or perhaps one of the employees has come up with a way to make a little money on the side. These sorts of hijinks are referred to as "man in the middle attacks" - though "attack" is sort of the wrong word because it's more like passive data collecting.

The internet's a dangerous place. Good luck out there.

curstpriest · 10-17-2010, 01:49 PM

So what happens if you drive around the UK with a router running netstumbler with GPS attachment?

Oh snap sounds like perfect app for the kindle!

Cell radio for GPS
Wifi for netstumbler/kismet?
E-ink display to show where you are via google maps!

Somebody with KDK get to work!

Oh, and the 4gb is probably not enough room to store that many dumps, so better implement a usb storage module so we can hook up a usb harddrive or sd module to analyze all of those keys on our desktop @ home later.

I don't think the freescale 533 or w/e is going to cut it.

Tiersten · 10-17-2010, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by curstpriest

Cell radio for GPS

No GPS in the 3G module used in the Kindle. The best you can do is positioning based on cell tower IDs and BSSID of the WiFi access points you can see nearby.

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Originally Posted by curstpriest

don't think the freescale 533 or w/e is going to cut it.

Why not?

Richey79 · 10-17-2010, 02:10 PM

Sounds like the American guy purposefully drove his car to that cafe and parked outside on a regular basis in order to use their wi-fi. He did it often enough that the hairdresser next door recognised his car and thought he was acting suspiciously.

I think he got what he deserved in this particular case.

osnova · 10-17-2010, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Barty

When I received mine, there was a bunch of holes on the top side. After staring at it, I realized the back panel was not snapped in properly. Pressed it gently and it snapped in. Yikes.

My Kindle 3 fell on the concrete and the back cover unsnapped. I snapped it back in order and everything is fine.

curstpriest · 10-17-2010, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tiersten

No GPS in the 3G module used in the Kindle. The best you can do is positioning based on cell tower IDs and BSSID of the WiFi access points you can see nearby.

Why not?

WEP cracking requires a decent amount of CPU cycles (not tons) but you sometimes have to go through decent amount of packet caps before you can get it.

WPA2 will take a long time to get a key, so you'll need a lot more storage, and a lot more processor power. But then again, I'm not a hacker, so I wouldn't know =)

Tiersten · 10-17-2010, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by curstpriest

WEP cracking requires a decent amount of CPU cycles (not tons) but you sometimes have to go through decent amount of packet caps before you can get it.

WPA2 will take a long time to get a key, so you'll need a lot more storage, and a lot more processor power. But then again, I'm not a hacker, so I wouldn't know =)

Ahh. I thought you meant sniffing unencrypted traffic. In that case yep, I agree. The Kindle is probably too underpowered in terms of CPU and memory to do this.

Too many people don't realise that no protection on your WiFi doesn't just mean anybody can use it but also that anybody can see what you're doing as most sites don't use SSL.

notatoad · 10-18-2010, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by kevinofengland

Thanks for the info, i turned the wifi off and tried to get a bok off the website and it keeps asking me to turn wifi on when its a 3g as well. do i have to change a setting?

thanks

Kev

Just checked the WIFI is off but the wireless is on (is that the 3G) if so, I havn't conected to other peoples networks?

gaaah, people are way to quick to jump on the whole 'illegal wireless' thing. just ignore all that. you have to be connected to wireless to download books from the store. if you have 3G, just turn on the wireless and don't worry about changing any other settings.

your kindle will tell you what wifi networks are available in the wireless settings page, it will not connect to any unless you specifically tell it to. if you don't have home wifi to connect to, you should never have to use the wireless settings page. just keep using the 3G network the kindle automatically connects to.

curstpriest · 10-18-2010, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Tiersten

Ahh. I thought you meant sniffing unencrypted traffic. In that case yep, I agree. The Kindle is probably too underpowered in terms of CPU and memory to do this.

Too many people don't realise that no protection on your WiFi doesn't just mean anybody can use it but also that anybody can see what you're doing as most sites don't use SSL.

You're right, you could easily use it to view where they were going, what they were looking at, and what forms they submitted. Could catch telnet/pop unencrypted also.

10-17-2010, 01:42 AM	#22
Albright Member Posts: 22 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2010 Device: Kindle 3	You should be very leery about connecting to wireless networks you haven't set up yourself, either with a Kindle or with any other device. You don't know the intentions of the person who set it up. It would be pretty easy for a ne'er-do-well to set up a wireless network without encryption which logs data sent to and from banking or shopping sites, then wait for some sucker to come along, connect to their network, and then visit one of those sites. Even in places where you're invited to connect to the network, like hotels and coffee shops, it's probably a good idea to avoid any network transaction which involves sensitive or personal information - perhaps the network you're connecting to was actually set up by another customer with ill intentions, or perhaps one of the employees has come up with a way to make a little money on the side. These sorts of hijinks are referred to as "man in the middle attacks" - though "attack" is sort of the wrong word because it's more like passive data collecting. The internet's a dangerous place. Good luck out there. Last edited by Albright; 10-17-2010 at 02:11 AM.

10-17-2010, 01:49 PM	#23
curstpriest Confused Posts: 402 Karma: 5538 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Bay Area Device: Kindle DXG	So what happens if you drive around the UK with a router running netstumbler with GPS attachment? Oh snap sounds like perfect app for the kindle! Cell radio for GPS Wifi for netstumbler/kismet? E-ink display to show where you are via google maps! Somebody with KDK get to work! Oh, and the 4gb is probably not enough room to store that many dumps, so better implement a usb storage module so we can hook up a usb harddrive or sd module to analyze all of those keys on our desktop @ home later. I don't think the freescale 533 or w/e is going to cut it. Last edited by curstpriest; 10-17-2010 at 01:53 PM.

10-16-2010, 03:24 PM	#17
whitearrow Guru Posts: 808 Karma: 2260766 Join Date: Apr 2008 Device: Kindle Oasis 2	The Kindle should not connect to a wifi network unless you specifically click on it. If you accidentally clicked and connected to a network you didn't intend, there's a "forget" option.

10-16-2010, 04:51 PM	#19
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	When the original poster says "it has conected to 7 networks", I'm pretty sure that he actually means that 7 networks are visible to the Kindle, not that it has "connected" to them.

10-16-2010, 07:59 PM	#21
Tiersten Guru Posts: 987 Karma: 8641 Join Date: Aug 2010 Device: Kindle 3G+WiFi	The wireless setting turns WiFi AND 3G on/off. You can't do one only.

10-17-2010, 02:10 PM	#25
Richey79 mrkrgnao Posts: 241 Karma: 237248 Join Date: May 2010 Device: PRS650, K3 Wireless, Galaxy S3, iPad 3.	Sounds like the American guy purposefully drove his car to that cafe and parked outside on a regular basis in order to use their wi-fi. He did it often enough that the hairdresser next door recognised his car and thought he was acting suspiciously. I think he got what he deserved in this particular case.

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