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Old 10-04-2010, 03:00 PM   #16
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Calibre takes a couple minutes to launch on my netbook or laptop & even longer to add, convert or save bookds to disk. But I also have over 20,000 books in the library, use a 500 GB external for saving to disk, & tend to do things in bulk. I stopped bitching about it a year ago & just accept it as how the program works with my system, security settings, & personal preferences. I usually start Calibre manually when I start Windows, as I'm almost always converting or adding books. While it goes through whatever it goes through to get going, I check my email, fart around with Facebook, whatever, & when Calibre starts, it starts. No biggie; I just multi-task or else I go batshit waiting for that one program to load!
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This is an interesting thread, primarily because I don't see the point.

If we developers knew of some way to make calibre start faster (not put up spinners, but really start faster), we would do it. We aren't keeping a silver bullet in our pocket. After all, we would benefit more than you would. In the more than 150 person/days of development effort I have put on calibre this year, I have probably started calibre more than 5,000 times. Gee whiz, I wish I would have used that silver bullet.

For each person, the balance of using calibre is positive or it isn't. There are a lot of factors in that decision. Negatives: some people can't handle calibre's file system. Others can't handle the icons. Others can't handle the putative 'techie' bias of the application. Others don't like the gui. Others don't like the command line. And some don't like anything very much. (But we can be tranquil and thankful and proud, for man's been endowed with a ... ) And, of course, some can't handle its performance.

I won't bother with the positives. Most of you wouldn't be here if there weren't some for you.

Finally, calibre is free. You can try it for free. You can use it for free. You can stop using it for free. You can criticize it for free. You can even fix it for free. Each person makes a choice about which freedom to invoke. Of course, some choices are easier to make than others.

And yes, this post is also pointless.

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Old 10-04-2010, 05:53 PM   #18
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If we developers knew of some way to make calibre start faster (not put up spinners, but really start faster), we would do it. We aren't keeping a silver bullet in our pocket. After all, we would benefit more than you would. In the more than 150 person/days of development effort I have put on calibre this year, I have probably started calibre more than 5,000 times. Gee whiz, I wish I would have used that silver bullet.
I don't know if you read my post, and I don't know what the default state is, but I think you should make the splash screen display by default. I agree with the logic that if you can't quickly display a program window, at least display something to let the user know the program is working. Yes, that's equivalent to putting up spinners, but I believe it would work on some level.
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I don't know if you read my post, and I don't know what the default state is, but I think you should make the splash screen display by default. I agree with the logic that if you can't quickly display a program window, at least display something to let the user know the program is working. Yes, that's equivalent to putting up spinners, but I believe it would work on some level.
I thought the splash screen did display by default. I don't recall ever having to turn it on. I do feel it should come on a bit sooner in the start up process but then, I am a greedy old bitch.
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I'm a long-time user of Calibre, and the speed and "snappiness" has been steadily improved. I just keep the books I've read in my library, plus a few books worth of reading queue, so my library is still smallish at about 200 books. If you find that Calibre doesn't scale well with large libraries (other posters in this thread indicates that it's not too bad), you might want to create a smaller library for speedy day-to-day use, and a huge one for "basement archiving".

But look at it this way: Calibre is so brilliant for managing/browsing your collection that it probably saves *you* for significant amounts of work. Other applications I've tried are cumbersome, and I can't imagine that any of them would be very useful for managing a library of significant size, nevermind 3000+ entries. With Calibre I can find any book within seconds, and I can do bulk changes/updates with a minimum of effort. I've reorganised my collection several times (changing author naming structure, different tags, added series and so on), and it has only taken me 2-3 minutes of work each time.

For this convenience Calibre may make my computer work a little harder. I say let it, as long as I don't have to
The first time I open calibre after a restart of my machine, it does take a bit longer but it isn't so long that I ever felt a need to time it. Between restarts, which are infrequent since I run my machine 24/7, I just leave calibre running since it doesn't seem to interfere with anything else and I'm in and out of it frequently since I'm still in the middle of a massive book scanning project. It's hard for me to judge accurately since I'm constantly adding books as I scan them in, but it definite seems calibre is loading faster since I started using it despite the large number of books I've added along the way.

Calibre is still under development so I'm sure it will eventually get even faster.
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Calibre is still under development so I'm sure it will eventually get even faster.
Well, you know, there's a limit even to what the Calibre developers can do. These guys are only human, after all. (At least, most of the time I think they are. Then they come up with something totally awesome or some insanely quick bug fix or feature implementation, and I'm not so sure...) My point here is: Read Chaley's and Kovid's posts in this thread, they explain why Calibre is the speed it is. While I believe they try to do what they can, they can't do magic. (Then again... this is written in Python, after all ) Personally, I prefer robustness over speediness if I had to choose.
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...Personally, I prefer robustness over speediness if I had to choose.
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Old 10-04-2010, 07:22 PM   #23
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I don't know if you read my post, and I don't know what the default state is, but I think you should make the splash screen display by default. I agree with the logic that if you can't quickly display a program window, at least display something to let the user know the program is working. Yes, that's equivalent to putting up spinners, but I believe it would work on some level.
It is on by default.
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I just started calibre with a 4000 book library. It took 30 seconds for the splash screen then another minute to load all the books. This was on a Windows XP box that was also doing an active virus scan of an external drive at the time of start-up.
Update: I just tried a fresh starup of calibre again with a 4000+ book library. This time I didn't have a active antivirus scan of an external drive.

It took 20 seconds to see the splash screen and another 10 seconds for the main GUI to show and ready to use. 30 seconds is quite acceptable.
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On the contrary, Charles. It amused me no end. Keep up the good work.
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[QUOTE=Manichean;1145983 I think you should make the splash screen display by default. I agree with the logic that if you can't quickly display a program window, at least display something to let the user know the program is working. Yes, that's equivalent to putting up spinners, but I believe it would work on some level.[/QUOTE]

illogical Mr Spock. having the program display a splash screen means it has More work to do at start-up . not less. I disable splash screens wherever I can. ( I don't need the placebo illusion that stuff is happening just because the splash appears).

[and I rip pointless logo screens out of PC games because I don't need to hear some idiot saying "Nvidia" in a pretentious whisper, but that's drifting off-topic ]

But I am intrigued by the authors statement that on his 2yr old desktop he gets calibre load times of <1 secs because GUI & stuff is pre-loaded by his desktop environment. is there no way to convince windows 7 that it should preload the same stuff via it's prefetch system ?

PS I think this thread is great fun, more more than a simple "my library is bigger than yours" or a "real men buy real books" thread

PPS, as the guy who started the thread, all I really wanted to know was whether load lime was proportional to number of books in library. I believe that got answered a few pages back :-)

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illogical Mr Spock. having the program display a splash screen means it has More work to do at start-up . not less. I disable splash screens wherever I can. ( I don't need the placebo illusion that stuff is happening just because the splash appears).
You might not need it. And I'm well aware of the fact that displaying the splash screen uses up some cycles. But that doesn't make the argument illogical or invalid, as I was talking about subjective load speed.
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illogical Mr Spock. having the program display a splash screen means it has More work to do at start-up . not less. I disable splash screens wherever I can. ( I don't need the placebo illusion that stuff is happening just because the splash appears). )
Granted , some of the animated splashes go overboard , I really want some simple feedback:
1) Immediately after a mouse-click-OK... Did it "take" (The buffered second click may do something OMG unintended)
2) a simple progress marker. Don't *assume*, that I have a Super-Whiz-Bang system that get's it done yesterday.

For the most part, Calibre does inform.
Lack of feedback happens when tasks are handed off to other canned "packages" that Calibre developers just call (and wait for the return).
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illogical Mr Spock. having the program display a splash screen means it has More work to do at start-up . not less. I disable splash screens wherever I can. ( I don't need the placebo illusion that stuff is happening just because the splash appears).

[and I rip pointless logo screens out of PC games because I don't need to hear some idiot saying "Nvidia" in a pretentious whisper, but that's drifting off-topic ]

But I am intrigued by the authors statement that on his 2yr old desktop he gets calibre load times of <1 secs because GUI & stuff is pre-loaded by his desktop environment. is there no way to convince windows 7 that it should preload the same stuff via it's prefetch system ?

PS I think this thread is great fun, more more than a simple "my library is bigger than yours" or a "real men buy real books" thread

PPS, as the guy who started the thread, all I really wanted to know was whether load lime was proportional to number of books in library. I believe that got answered a few pages back :-)
Granted, many people don't need a splash screen but there are people who do (like me) and requested that a splash screen be added. If you don't want it, it can be easily disabled in Preferences. Keep in mind, calibre is designed to meat the needs of a large cross section of people.

As to how much time calibre's splash screen adds to its load time, I seriously doubt it can be easily measured, if at all. Splash screens with audio or animation are a different story, of course, and I find them obnoxious. With my ADD, any kind of a wait seems interminable unless I receive some indication something is happening. Add to that the fact my hand/eye coordination is getting worse as I age, a screen of some sort indicating that the program is indeed doing something becomes a necessity.
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to answer the original question...

Yes, calibre does slow down more as more books are added. (before I go on, let me just say that I absolutely love the program and I very much appreciate all of the hard work that all of the developers have put into it. I can't tell you how much I've wanted something like this forever. It's just awesome).

I have a collection of approx 2,500 books in calibre (which is less than 10% of my whole collection) and it takes about 2-3 minutes to load. The SQL database has been checked for integrity, and on and on. It's just slow to start. I have a 3 GHz quad core PC with 8 GB of ram. I do very cpu/ram intensive design work regulary. The problem is that I have close to 30k ebooks and I'm hesitant to keep adding them to calibre because of the performance tax. So, while I agree with another poster's comment that robustness is preferrable to intial load time, there are ways to improve database speed. Take XBMC for instance (not really a fair comparison since it's been around quite a bit longer than calibre, and has a fairly large dev community). I have close to 4,000 movies in my XBMC database yet the program takes less than 3 seconds to startup. I saw the comment from a developer earlier about how there was no "silver bullet" for improving load times. I'm just curious then, why do programs like XBMC load so fast comparitively? Believe me, I'm not pointing out flaws with calibre. Quite the contrary, I have no bones to pick... I just find this an interesting discussion.

By the way, I'm a software designer... is there anything I can do to help the project?

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