Saw the 6.8" Kindle for the first time

[Pajamaman]

Koreader is very good at removing all formatting, including absurdly wide margins

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by Pajamaman

Koreader is very good at removing all formatting, including absurdly wide margins

Yeah, but I don't want to remove all formatting. I edit my books and have removed most everything I don't like anyway. And yeah, I know I could just let KOReader do it, but then I'd always be dependent on KOReader. As things stand now, I can read my books on any device I want and have them look mostly the same. I'm not dependent on the ability of any one app or reader to handle my formatting for me.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

Yeah, but I don't want to remove all formatting. I edit my books and have removed most everything I don't like anyway. And yeah, I know I could just let KOReader do it, but then I'd always be dependent on KOReader. As things stand now, I can read my books on any device I want and have them look mostly the same. I'm not dependent on the ability of any one app or reader to handle my formatting for me.

Well said. I feel the same.

[NullNix]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

I read for pleasure, so it doesn't matter how fast or slow I do it. The less text on the screen, the more often you'll have to turn pages and this constant need to turn pages would drive me nuts.

I have found one use for absurd margins. As my eyes age, I like to read with my glasses off in bed at night. But my myopia is so severe (-11 dioptres corrective lenses needed) that the Kindle has to be about 5cm from my face when I do that. That's fine, on the absolute minimum font size it's actually fairly usable -- but because it's flat and my eyes aren't, the edges are far enough away that the text is unreadably blurred again! For the top and bottom this is fine, I can just tilt it a bit as I read, but that doesn't work for the left and right edges -- you can't tilt it for *every line*. So I blow up the margins to make the text retreat from those blurred edges, and reading becomes easy again. Because the font is tiny I still get really quite a lot on a page, even that way.

When reading with my glasses on, the Kindle stays a sane distance from my face and I go back to the smallest possible margins, and font size 3.

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by NullNix

I have found one use for absurd margins. As my eyes age, I like to read with my glasses off in bed at night. But my myopia is so severe (-11 dioptres corrective lenses needed) that the Kindle has to be about 5cm from my face when I do that. That's fine, on the absolute minimum font size it's actually fairly usable -- but because it's flat and my eyes aren't, the edges are far enough away that the text is unreadably blurred again! For the top and bottom this is fine, I can just tilt it a bit as I read, but that doesn't work for the left and right edges -- you can't tilt it for *every line*. So I blow up the margins to make the text retreat from those blurred edges, and reading becomes easy again. Because the font is tiny I still get really quite a lot on a page, even that way.

When reading with my glasses on, the Kindle stays a sane distance from my face and I go back to the smallest possible margins, and font size 3.

I understand perfectly, as my eyesight is exactly the same as yours, -11. That's why I almost never read lying down, and in the rare cases I do, I use my phone.

[NullNix]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

I understand perfectly, as my eyesight is exactly the same as yours, -11. That's why I almost never read lying down, and in the rare cases I do, I use my phone.

Oh I can't *not read in bed*. That would be like surviving without breathing oxygen or something: an impossibility.

[Flaviocc]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

The workaround is to put the negative margins in the css. Works for azw3, not sure if it works for kfx.

Hi Sirtel, can you point me on how to do that?

Tks.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Flaviocc

Hi Sirtel, can you point me on how to do that?

Tks.

At the very top of the CSS, put the following code. The line break-inside is there because of some bug in some firmware.

html {
  margin-right: -45px;
  margin-left: -45px;
  break-inside: avoid !important;
}

And if you use ChareInk with KF8 (AZW3), you will reduce the space between lines for even more text on screen. Download the unweighted version with hinting.
https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=184056

And if you use the Hyphenate This! plugin, you can add soft hyphens to give KF8 hyphenation. The only thing you miss is kerning and ligatures. I suggest you read the thread.
https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=208534

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

At the very top of the CSS, put the following code. The line break-inside is there because of some bug in some firmware.

htm
  margin-right: -45px;
  margin-left: -45px;
  break-inside: avoid !important;
}

Since I like reading epub and keeping one copy of the ebook around, I wrap the margin setting in a media query. This works quite well since most renderers that don't understand media queries will disregard this entry entirely. Without the wrapper, I have had to play with the margins when using a renderer that disregards media queries or in Jon's code's case, doesn't get presented with the opportunity to disregards the margin settings.

@media amzn-kf8 {
  html {
    margin-left: -50px;
    margin-right: -50px;
  }
}

[Quoth]

Does Amazon object to that if it's in an epub uploaded on KDP or is it only any use for Dual Mobi on Smashwords and sideloading epub converted to azw3 or dual mobi?

I suppose some people might be curious about it in an epub used for Send to Kindle.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by DNSB

Since I like reading epub and keeping one copy of the ebook around, I wrap the margin setting in a media query. This works quite well since most renderers that don't understand media queries will disregard this entry entirely. Without the wrapper, I have had to play with the margins when using a renderer that disregards media queries or in Jon's code's case, doesn't get presented with the opportunity to disregards the margin settings.

@media amzn-kf8 {
  html {
    margin-left: -50px;
    margin-right: -50px;
  }
}

I wonder if your media query will work for ePub emailed to Amazon.

[Flaviocc]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

At the very top of the CSS, put the following code. The line break-inside is there because of some bug in some firmware.

htm
  margin-right: -45px;
  margin-left: -45px;
  break-inside: avoid !important;
}

And if you use ChareInk with KF8 (AZW3), you will reduce the space between lines for even more text on screen. Download the unweighted version with hinting.
https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=184056

And if you use the Hyphenate This! plugin, you can add soft hyphens to give KF8 hyphenation. The only thing you miss is kerning and ligatures. I suggest you read the thread.
https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=208534

Tks John.

Edit: I have to do that at Calibre editor or I can do at the moment I convert de epub to azw3?

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Flaviocc

Tks John.

Edit: I have to do that at Calibre editor or I can do at the moment I convert de epub to azw3?

In the Convert requestor, under Look & feel, go to the Styling tab and you can put it in under extra CSS.

[HLS]

Originally Posted by rcentros

I was in Best Buy yesterday and saw a 6.8" Kindle for the first time. They actually didn't have this one in display mode and I was able to give it a very short (less than a minute) trial. For a nearly 6.8" reader it's small and sleek and pretty light. Screen looked good. (I didn't think to try the warm light option.) Page turns were very fast. These were the good points. But the margins were almost a 1/4" on each side and that was at the smallest margin setting. Why do they do that? I don't know if there's a workaround (and I'm not in the market for a Kindle) but those wide margins kind of spoiled it for me.

You can change the margins you know LOL

[rcentros]

Originally Posted by HLS

You can change the margins you know LOL

They were already at the smallest setting.