08-06-2019, 08:16 PM | #16 |
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Whose definition of stealing? Yours?
But even if we totally agreed on the definition in all cases, do circumstances matter? If you stole a loaf of bread to feed your children because you had exhausted all other legal means to obtain food, would you be immoral? Personally, I would not consider you to be. |
08-06-2019, 10:20 PM | #17 |
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The lengths people will go to....if you pirate a book, you’ve stolen it. It’s immoral even if I’ve done it too. Even if everyone from my generation pirated music....at least we all knew we were stealing. I’m bothered less by people pirating than by those who would attempt to make stealing moral or amoral. It’s immoral.
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All we can do, in passing judgement on those who do is take their particular circumstances into consideration. We can't decide, in toto, that "all" people who are allegedly stealing due to dire circumstances or "need" are acquitted sans discussion or trial. So, we do the best we can, on a basically case-by-case basis. Realistically, what's the alternative to that? So, what was the topic, again? Hitch |
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08-07-2019, 12:41 AM | #19 | |
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Just to add to it... Is it wrong to steal something from someone that that someone has stolen? In other words, if the thing which you are "stealing" didn't really belong to the person whom it was stolen from, and, if they had obtained it by illegal means, and, if you were doing it to right a wrong, would it still be stealing... Now getting back to the topic of this thread, not only had pirating apparently happened, but the pirates then apparently deliberately profited from their plunder. They then apparently had the audacity to react in mock outrage at such behaviour on the part of others... |
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08-07-2019, 04:42 AM | #20 | |
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If it is legally wrong, it should be considered morally wrong as well. |
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The world is full of stupid laws, which should not be blindly followed just because they're there. |
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08-07-2019, 04:57 AM | #22 |
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I am sure a lot of people will not agree with this. To reductio ad absurdum it would make breaking any petty bureaucratic regulation enacted into law, which 99% of people do not agree with, should be considered immoral. There are many such petty regulations in modern life.
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08-07-2019, 06:30 AM | #24 | |
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Only because everybody breaks a law, does not make it stupid. Adultery, for example, is either a misdemeanor or felony in the US (depending on state). That is a law that shouldn't need to be there, because it shouldn't even happen. And yet it gets broken regularly. Why? Because it is now morally acceptable to break laws you consider immoral? If you try justify adultery with any moral reasons, then you might as well be accused of hypocrisy. |
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Although even if it were illegal* to remove DRM from a product that one has legally obtained, in my opinion it is not immoral. It is illegal** in the UK to take a music CD that one owns and copy the data representing the music onto a computer. But I don't think that that is immoral either. * criminally illegal - i.e. a crime for which the government could prosecute you. ** civilly illegal - i.e. a deed for which the copyright holder could bring a civil case against you Last edited by pdurrant; 08-07-2019 at 07:37 AM. |
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08-07-2019, 07:39 AM | #28 | |
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But secret adultery is certainly immoral. Immoral is not the same as illegal. Nor is one a subset of the other. |
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Generally: Removing DRM necessarily involves making a copy of the product. You are only allowed to do that within the parameters the copyright owner has set out. Unless they have allowed DRM removal, you are violating their copyright by making your DRM-free derivative work. Same issues as ripping CDs to MP3s. Specifically: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/...egulation-24-1 Quote:
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