The Vent and Rant Thread

[wodin]

Originally Posted by Terisa de morgan

Excuse, but Spanglish is the name we give in Spain to a poor mix of Spanish and English

And thank heaven for that, not being bilingual, during my frequent trips to Rota in a previous life, I was able to function (barely) because most of the locals spoke some degree of Spanglish.

[Cinisajoy]

Originally Posted by wodin

And thank heaven for that, not being bilingual, during my frequent trips to Rota in a previous life, I was able to function (barely) because most of the locals spoke some degree of Spanglish.

I do believe here it is Tex-Mex.

[Toxaris]

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

I do believe here it is Tex-Mex.

And don't forget Ingrish. In Dutch we have a expression 'steenkolen duits' which is basically Dutch words pronounced in a German manner.

[DMcCunney]

Originally Posted by Terisa de morgan

Excuse, but Spanglish is the name we give in Spain to a poor mix of Spanish and English

Curious.

My SO is essentially bi-lingual in English and Spanish, She would have extended conversations with a Puerto Rican woman who worked at the laundromat close by when she did the laundry, and they would shift between English and Spanish, often not even consciously aware they had done so. They were simply talking.

But the shifts came at the boundaries of syntactic units. Complete thoughts were expressed in one language before shifting to another, and you didn't get the patois or pidgin that occurs when intersecting cultures devise a trade language in with both can communicate. There was nothing like Spanglish.

A correspondent elsewhere is Hispanic, and talked about a relative who did freely intermix Spanish and English words in sentences, and it drove him nuts because he never knew what to expect when she opened her mouth, and comprehension was far more difficult.
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Dennis

[Terisa de morgan]

I think our Spanglish is more similar to your Hispanic (or a bad English )

[DMcCunney]

Originally Posted by Terisa de morgan

I think our Spanglish is more similar to your Hispanic (or a bad English )

Possible. Dialect may also play a part.

Years back, I had dinner in a restaurant near me, and overheard a patron from Spain who spoke Spanish as it was spoken in Castile telling a Mexican restaurant employee "I'll teach you how to speak Spanish!". I did not see that ending well...
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Dennis

[Cinisajoy]

Originally Posted by DMcCunney

Possible. Dialect may also play a part.

Years back, I had dinner in a restaurant near me, and overheard a patron from Spain who spoke Spanish as it was spoken in Castile telling a Mexican restaurant employee "I'll teach you how to speak Spanish!". I did not see that ending well...
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Dennis

I had a friend that spoke Castile, he didn't understand Mexican and they didn't understand him.
Same with a lady from Argentina. She was hard to understand. I think in all the years I knew her, she spoke one English sentence. Well technically it was 3 sentences.
I couldn't come back with an argument in any language.
She took something of mine. Her response was you left I like I keep.

[wodin]

I had much the same problem is Scotland. Being a non bilingual (American) English speaker I frequently had to ask the Scotts to please speak more slowly and distinctly.

[Blossom]

Originally Posted by DMcCunney

Everything has migrated to Romance. You name it, and there's a Romance crossover featuring it.


Good luck with that.
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Dennis

The world needs more romance, happiness and true love conquers all.



Sent from my XT1528

[Freeshadow]

Originally Posted by DMcCunney

Curious.

My SO is essentially bi-lingual in English and Spanish, She would have extended conversations with a Puerto Rican woman who worked at the laundromat close by when she did the laundry, and they would shift between English and Spanish, often not even consciously aware they had done so. They were simply talking.

But the shifts came at the boundaries of syntactic units. Complete thoughts were expressed in one language before shifting to another, and you didn't get the patois or pidgin that occurs when intersecting cultures devise a trade language in with both can communicate. There was nothing like Spanglish.

What you describe here is what I'd call "efficiency switching"; your brain automatically switches to the other language (when you know your conversation partner knows both languages too) if the thing to express is e.g. shorter or more convenient to express in the other language - say names of institutions, or one of the languages has a shorter grammatical structure for questions, etc.
I know that too.

[Toxaris]

Originally Posted by wodin

I had much the same problem is Scotland. Being a non bilingual (American) English speaker I frequently had to ask the Scotts to please speak more slowly and distinctly.

That is funny. When I went to Scotland I had no issue understanding them, even from the various parts of Scotland. But I understand what you mean. One morning there were some Germans during breakfast who just didn't understand the patron. It was hilarious, especially because I understood what both sides were saying. After about five minutes I decided to help them out, as I was feeling sorry for both sides.

[Freeshadow]

Depending where they come from one can't even understand the Germans...

[Katsunami]

Originally Posted by Terisa de morgan

Excuse, but Spanglish is the name we give in Spain to a poor mix of Spanish and English

In the Netherlands, we call it Dunglish. I think the name's rather apt.

Originally Posted by Toxaris

...especially because I understood what both sides were saying. After about five minutes I decided to help them out, as I was feeling sorry for both sides.

You're Dutch. We seem to understand all languages just by listening to them for some time (Except Chinese...)

[Toxaris]

Originally Posted by Katsunami

In the Netherlands, we call it Dunglish. I think the name's rather apt.



You're Dutch. We seem to understand all languages just by listening to them for some time (Except Chinese...)

Tell that to my French teacher.... I will probably insult people, but to me that is not a language but a speech impediment...

[Katsunami]

Originally Posted by Toxaris

Tell that to my French teacher.... I will probably insult people, but to me that is not a language but a speech impediment...

LOOOL... I've always thought so as well. I've always felt French is a somewhat nasal sounding language, and my French teacher back in high school had a nasal voice himself. So... it sounded like a deflating balloon that's being chocked. (You know, you first inflate it, then you stretch the neck, and it goes like "whèèèieeèèè...")