Sony reveals prototype 13.3-inch e-ink slate with stylus - Page 18

Sil_liS · 10-20-2013, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by markom

Maybe some forum member here from Japan could confirm, deny or elaborate on its present use in those universities by searching their internet pages or local Japanese forums.

I'm not from Japan, but I did find this. Apparently there is going to be a lecture at a conference on Oct. 25th on the new displays. The phrasing in regards to the university tests is:

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Three Universities (Waseda, Ritsumeikan, Housei) are scheduled to start pilot tests for commercialization of the product.

So I guess that we didn't hear anything yet because the test haven't started yet.

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Originally Posted by ApK

Did it explicitly say it would not be a commercial product? Because they make prototypes of products before mass production.
I thought there was another term that indicated it was a one off, like "concept piece" or something?

I think that HarryT was saying is that if it becomes a commercial product it will not be this device in the sense that the specs might be different, the software options might be different and/or the design might be different from the prototype.

HarryT · 10-20-2013, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Sil_liS

I think that HarryT was saying is that if it becomes a commercial product it will not be this device in the sense that the specs might be different, the software options might be different and/or the design might be different from the prototype.

Yes, that is indeed what I meant.

simond91 · 10-21-2013, 10:56 AM

i think i'm going to buy the icarus excel and wait for the sony 13 one...
do you know any alternatives that are big and with wacom?
and more importante someone have an experience in writing on wacom devices?

i'm going to use it at the university for annotating on pdf files.

HarryT · 10-21-2013, 12:55 PM

Wacom digitizers are excellent for writing on. I have a Microsoft Surface Pro with a Wacom digitizer, and the pen works beautifully. I'm not suggesting that you get a Surface Pro - it's a great highly-portable PC, but it's not a wonderful tablet - but the digitizer is very good.

If you're after a tablet with a Wacom digitizer, the Galaxy Note 10" is a good choice. I don't know of any large-screen eInk devices which have one, I'm afraid.

simond91 · 10-21-2013, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

Wacom digitizers are excellent for writing on. I have a Microsoft Surface Pro with a Wacom digitizer, and the pen works beautifully. I'm not suggesting that you get a Surface Pro - it's a great highly-portable PC, but it's not a wonderful tablet - but the digitizer is very good.

If you're after a tablet with a Wacom digitizer, the Galaxy Note 10" is a good choice. I don't know of any large-screen eInk devices which have one, I'm afraid.

i read something in those days about it and looks like that the biggest display for an ereader with wacom for now is 9.7" (icarus excel)

... maybe due to the technology level they are now... in fact the only one bigger is the sony 13", which use the mobius technology

Sil_liS · 10-21-2013, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by simond91

i read something in those days about it and looks like that the biggest display for an ereader with wacom for now is 9.7" (icarus excel)

... maybe due to the technology level they are now... in fact the only one bigger is the sony 13", which use the mobius technology

Pocketbook has readers with wacom and they also aren't bigger than 9.7". The digitizer itself is fine, but as the stylus is thin enough to fit inside the edge of the device I don't find it as comfortable to use as a normal sized pen/pencil/etc.

rem736 · 10-23-2013, 07:05 PM

latest news on the sony 13.3 inch ereader:
http://goodereader.com/blog/electron...rials-in-japan

simond91 · 10-23-2013, 08:17 PM

nice! sony is on the right way... but ami i wrong or at the end of the video the man talk about a realse period of the next summer?

Salgueiros · 10-24-2013, 04:49 AM

This ereader quite simply will be revolutionary for me. I use the Kindle DX for research papers and, though it is acceptable, it is not ideal. Tablets are not an option for me, since i hate reading in lighted screens. This one however, looks pretty close to perfect (from what i have seen on the video which is admittedly not much) . I also read some technical books in PDF form and having them all in one reader would quite literally transform my daily routine (and my professional and teaching library...)

I really hope Sony will put this on sale soon. I will pay whatever they want to eheheh

HarryT · 10-24-2013, 04:54 AM

Speed may be an issue for complex PDFs; the iPad has a much more powerful CPU than this device is likely to have, and some complex PDFs can take several seconds to render a page on that. I really wouldn't commit to paying "whatever they want" until we see what the real-world performance is like.

Salgueiros · 10-24-2013, 09:35 AM

I would not buy an Ipad in any scenario. The same with any LCD screen tablet, so that is not an option for me.

The big PDF files are an issue already in Kindle DX, so i am sure Sony engineers already have that in mind, besides, if they are testing it in universities, that should be an immediate complain from the students/teachers given the type of files that they usually use.

HarryT · 10-24-2013, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Salgueiros

I would not buy an Ipad in any scenario. The same with any LCD screen tablet, so that is not an option for me.

That's a shame - the iPad with the "Goodreader" app is a superb PDF reader. I need a colour device; I'm studying part-time for a degree in Egyptology and many of the PDFs I need to study have colour illustrations.

Salgueiros · 10-24-2013, 10:10 AM

Well... it is not "superb" for me. But i am glad you are happy with it. I could never read comfortably for hours on a LCD screen and i could never be in peace with myself for buying an Apple product so i do not feel ashamed at all (i know that is not what you meant but i am just joking ehehe)

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medard · 10-25-2013, 06:41 AM

I think people sometimes have something different in mind when they talk about PDF files. For news magazines, or modern textbooks with a lot of images and colours, a tablet computer would be the best thing, of course.

But some people have a lot of facsimiles of historic books as PDF files, electronic photocopies of public domain books they made for (or got from) university, or something similar. For these kind of files this new development from Sony seems to be an ideal solution, since the Reader is going to be really lightweight and you would be able to carry some hundreds of books with you. That is something a lawyer or a philosopher will like, for obvious reasons.

For a philosopher, an iPad might be "not cool", just as a book from Plato might be "not cool" for people that like to read comic books on a tablet computer.

I'm really looking forward to this new development by Sony, but I think the price might be a problem. We'll see. I won't care about this device if it costs 400 Euros or more, since I won't pay that just for the fun to carry some books in PDF format with me.

HarryT · 10-25-2013, 06:50 AM

I think €400 is the very minimum that this device is likely to cost. €500+ would be my guess.

10-24-2013, 09:35 AM	#266
Salgueiros Eudaimonia Posts: 898 Karma: 9164418 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Vancouver, Canada Device: Sony PRS T2, Sony PRS T3, Sony DPT-RP1	I would not buy an Ipad in any scenario. The same with any LCD screen tablet, so that is not an option for me. The big PDF files are an issue already in Kindle DX, so i am sure Sony engineers already have that in mind, besides, if they are testing it in universities, that should be an immediate complain from the students/teachers given the type of files that they usually use. Last edited by Salgueiros; 10-24-2013 at 09:38 AM.

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10-21-2013, 10:56 AM	#258
simond91 Junior Member Posts: 5 Karma: 470010 Join Date: Oct 2013 Device: icarus excel, sony 13" reader	i think i'm going to buy the icarus excel and wait for the sony 13 one... do you know any alternatives that are big and with wacom? and more importante someone have an experience in writing on wacom devices? i'm going to use it at the university for annotating on pdf files.

10-21-2013, 12:55 PM	#259
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,560 Karma: 93980341 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Wacom digitizers are excellent for writing on. I have a Microsoft Surface Pro with a Wacom digitizer, and the pen works beautifully. I'm not suggesting that you get a Surface Pro - it's a great highly-portable PC, but it's not a wonderful tablet - but the digitizer is very good. If you're after a tablet with a Wacom digitizer, the Galaxy Note 10" is a good choice. I don't know of any large-screen eInk devices which have one, I'm afraid.

10-23-2013, 07:05 PM	#262
rem736 purpose priority passion Posts: 646 Karma: 9002000 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: socal, usa Device: sony prs-350, rM2, kindle scribe, boox poke5	latest news on the sony 13.3 inch ereader: http://goodereader.com/blog/electron...rials-in-japan

10-23-2013, 08:17 PM	#263
simond91 Junior Member Posts: 5 Karma: 470010 Join Date: Oct 2013 Device: icarus excel, sony 13" reader	nice! sony is on the right way... but ami i wrong or at the end of the video the man talk about a realse period of the next summer?

10-24-2013, 04:49 AM	#264
Salgueiros Eudaimonia Posts: 898 Karma: 9164418 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Vancouver, Canada Device: Sony PRS T2, Sony PRS T3, Sony DPT-RP1	This ereader quite simply will be revolutionary for me. I use the Kindle DX for research papers and, though it is acceptable, it is not ideal. Tablets are not an option for me, since i hate reading in lighted screens. This one however, looks pretty close to perfect (from what i have seen on the video which is admittedly not much) . I also read some technical books in PDF form and having them all in one reader would quite literally transform my daily routine (and my professional and teaching library...) I really hope Sony will put this on sale soon. I will pay whatever they want to eheheh

10-24-2013, 04:54 AM	#265
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,560 Karma: 93980341 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Speed may be an issue for complex PDFs; the iPad has a much more powerful CPU than this device is likely to have, and some complex PDFs can take several seconds to render a page on that. I really wouldn't commit to paying "whatever they want" until we see what the real-world performance is like.

10-24-2013, 10:10 AM	#268
Salgueiros Eudaimonia Posts: 898 Karma: 9164418 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Vancouver, Canada Device: Sony PRS T2, Sony PRS T3, Sony DPT-RP1	Well... it is not "superb" for me. But i am glad you are happy with it. I could never read comfortably for hours on a LCD screen and i could never be in peace with myself for buying an Apple product so i do not feel ashamed at all (i know that is not what you meant but i am just joking ehehe) .

10-25-2013, 06:41 AM	#269
medard Wizard Posts: 1,014 Karma: 5595784 Join Date: May 2012 Device: Electronic Paper	I think people sometimes have something different in mind when they talk about PDF files. For news magazines, or modern textbooks with a lot of images and colours, a tablet computer would be the best thing, of course. But some people have a lot of facsimiles of historic books as PDF files, electronic photocopies of public domain books they made for (or got from) university, or something similar. For these kind of files this new development from Sony seems to be an ideal solution, since the Reader is going to be really lightweight and you would be able to carry some hundreds of books with you. That is something a lawyer or a philosopher will like, for obvious reasons. For a philosopher, an iPad might be "not cool", just as a book from Plato might be "not cool" for people that like to read comic books on a tablet computer. I'm really looking forward to this new development by Sony, but I think the price might be a problem. We'll see. I won't care about this device if it costs 400 Euros or more, since I won't pay that just for the fun to carry some books in PDF format with me.

10-25-2013, 06:50 AM	#270
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,560 Karma: 93980341 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	I think €400 is the very minimum that this device is likely to cost. €500+ would be my guess.

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