Is Apple betting the farm on the new iPad (iPad3 or iPadHD or ?)?

[pdurrant]

Originally Posted by HansTWN

The iPad3 will be successful, but Android devices have caught up, a wave of devices with high resolution screens is coming in the next few months and the interface is a smooth as silk running Tegra 3. By this time next year, the iPad's market share will likely be below 30%, trending down to iPhone levels.

Even counting smaller tablets, and the Kindle Fire, Apple apparently has around 60% market share at the moment (I've seen various figures from 57% to 62%)

It will be interesting to see if your prediction comes true.

[monkeyluis]

I agree I think for enterprise (key word) it could do very well. I think consumer is not going to do well at all.

[ScotiaBurrell]

Win8 could very well find its way into everyones homes. Most people are comfortable with what they use at work.

Not always.

people went apple iphone and android over work issue blackberry. Now blackberry suffering.

[HansTWN]

Originally Posted by pdurrant

Even counting smaller tablets, and the Kindle Fire, Apple apparently has around 60% market share at the moment (I've seen various figures from 57% to 62%)

It will be interesting to see if your prediction comes true.

The figures for last year are still distorted, if only because the Fire is still US only and Apple held Samsung down through various lawsuits.

And I don't see why you shouldn't count smaller sizes, Apple clearly miscalculated here, a lot of people seem to find 7" tablets extremely useful. For laptops you don't just count the quantities for one single screen size either. That single size strategy is Apple's biggest strength but also its biggest weakness. Keeps things simple and developers and existing customers are happy, but can't fill the needs of many potential customers.

[ScotiaBurrell]

Originally Posted by pdurrant

Even counting smaller tablets, and the Kindle Fire, Apple apparently has around 60% market share at the moment (I've seen various figures from 57% to 62%)
It will be interesting to see if your prediction comes true.

Market can grow and market share shrink but! company sales not negatively effected or even sometimes grow. Marketshare sometimes often imperfect tool to measure health.

[HansTWN]

Originally Posted by VaporPunk

If Win8 is widely embraced by enterprise, it could blow everybody else outta the water. For an IT department, a single OS that runs phones, tablets, and PCs/Servers plus all the major business/productivity apps would be a dream come true. It all depends on how truly unified the OS is (x86/ARM) and how well MS can tie them all together.
Just like DOS/Windows took over the business market first and then won over consumers, Win8 could very well find its way into everyones homes. Most people are comfortable with what they use at work.

I tend to agree -- but it might well be several years before consumers embrace it. And who knows how far the mobile OSs have come by then.

[heySkippy]

I think it's interesting that the 2 primary competitors to the iPad, the Fire and the Nook, are both sold at a loss. Amazon and B&N can do that, but Samsung and Motorola can't.

[HansTWN]

Originally Posted by heySkippy

I think it's interesting that the 2 primary competitors to the iPad, the Fire and the Nook, are both sold at a loss. Amazon and B&N can do that, but Samsung and Motorola can't.

The Nook, maybe they lose money on it. But I am sure that Amazon is a smart enough negotiator to make sure that they are NOT losing money on the Fire. Nobody (including iSupply) really knows what everybody actually pays for components, and when someone like Amazon comes along, all the equipment makers are starting to salivate and big discounts will be given.

Not that the Fire is a big money maker either, obviously. It doesn't need to be.

[VaporPunk]

Originally Posted by ScotiaBurrell

Not always.

people went apple iphone and android over work issue blackberry. Now blackberry suffering.

Absolutely a valid point. But Blackberry really screwed up. Especially with the Playbook. They have been their own worst enemies lately. I'm not saying that MS can't do the same because god knows they have in the past. But they've invested a lot of time, money and prestige onto Win8, they pretty much have to get it right.

You could certainly say they are betting the Farm on Win8 far more than Apple is with their latest pad.

I tend to agree -- but it might well be several years before consumers embrace it. And who knows how far the mobile OSs have come by then.

And there's the rub...I'm no MS fanboy but I do hope that Win8 is competitive and hopefully they can keep up with Apple and Google and keep the OS growing until it is. More choices for consumers = innovation = better for us all.

[heySkippy]

This is a pretty good read about the problems Android faces in enterprise.

http://speirs.org/blog/2012/3/6/we-n...t-android.html

[HansTWN]

Originally Posted by VaporPunk

And there's the rub...I'm no MS fanboy but I do hope that Win8 is competitive and hopefully they can keep up with Apple and Google and keep the OS growing until it is. More choices for consumers = innovation = better for us all.

I hope so, too. I would like to see the current generations of tablets as more of a "interim solution" because the hardware just isn't ready. And that, at some time in the not too distant future, tablets will be full fledged computers (while retaining all the advantages of tablets such as size, weight, battery life, and simplicity of operation), not just the media consumption machines they are right now. Call it the "post tablet" or "tablet PC" world when the categories merge again.

[VaporPunk]

Originally Posted by heySkippy

This is a pretty good read about the problems Android faces in enterprise.

http://speirs.org/blog/2012/3/6/we-n...t-android.html

Some valid criticisms, and I can see where a large-scale roll out of Android could quickly become a nightmare. I haven't worked in IT support for a dozen years but some of the critiques are also a bit too nit-picky for me. For example, there are plenty of 3rd party apps to make reliable Android backups. Some manufacturers (like Asus) are really good about updating their tablets and a bit of research by the consumer goes a long way.

[VaporPunk]

Originally Posted by HansTWN

I hope so, too. I would like to see the current generations of tablets as more of a "interim solution" because the hardware just isn't ready. And that, at some time in the not too distant future, tablets will be full fledged computers (while retaining all the advantages of tablets such as size, weight, battery life, and simplicity of operation), not just the media consumption machines they are right now. Call it the "post tablet" or "tablet PC" world when the categories merge again.

Well, my first home PC was a 486DX running DOS/Windows 3.11. Every time I pick up a tablet or smartphone, I have a big ol' smile on my face thinking back to what was.

I betcha in 5 years we've got something pretty close to what you describe here. Fold out paper-thin keyboards that you can tuck away inside the machine when you don't need it etc... I'm only 1/2 the geek I used to be but that would be

[ilovejedd]

Originally Posted by HansTWN

Windows 8 tablets won't make much of a splash when they come out, but MS is always in it for the long haul. I personally would love a full OS, with an easy to use and finger friendly interface, real multitasking, and capable of running full office and CAD programs. Oh, with 12 hour battery life, of course. 12.1" screen and maximum weight 1 1/2 pounds One can always dream.

Good luck getting 12" hours battery life on x86. This is the primary reason I'm holding off on another x86 tablet purchase. Having used Vista in a tablet setting, I already know Windows 7 would work as well (if not better) for my needs (excellent handwriting recognition by the way - can easily understand my chicken scratch). Unfortunately, battery life remains an issue. Intel has made pretty great strides particularly with Sandy Bridge. I'm really hoping Ivy Bridge can up the ante.

[Prestidigitweeze]

Originally Posted by HansTWN

I would like to see the current generations of tablets as more of a "interim solution" because the hardware just isn't ready. And that, at some time in the not too distant future, tablets will be full fledged computers (while retaining all the advantages of tablets such as size, weight, battery life, and simplicity of operation), not just the media consumption machines they are right now. Call it the "post tablet" or "tablet PC" world when the categories merge again.

The thing that worries me about MS and Apple is their apparently literal-minded view of convergence -- that your most powerful computer, the one you use for the most sophisticated tasks, should run on the roughly same OS as your smartphone and tablet, which has meant, in some ways, that the experience will be as blunted as the one on your smartphone.

Years ago, I'd hoped the first iPad might run on a version of OSX. Now it seems that iOS is going to be infecting Lion and beyond, just as Metro will be worming its way into Windows 8.