Sony or Nook Touch

[delphin]

On the issue of the Sony Reader Library vs. Calibre converting tags to collections.

I have NEVER seen the Sony Reader Library EVER convert even a single tag to a collection of any sort - PERIOD.

BUT - YES, Calibre CAN DO THIS.

In fact, before changing my settings to disable this, Calibre often did EXACTLY the kind of annoying conversions that were mentioned. (creating lot's of silly collections from insignificant and inconsistent tags that it happened to find in a single EPUB).

You will find this issue discussed in this thread, along with my notes on how to disable Tag->To->Collection conversions in Calibre.

[ST-One]

Originally Posted by delphin

On the issue of the Sony Reader Library vs. Calibre converting tags to collections.

I have NEVER seen the Sony Reader Library EVER convert even a single tag to a collection of any sort - PERIOD.

BUT - YES, Calibre CAN DO THIS.

In fact, before changing my settings to disable this, Calibre often did EXACTLY the kind of annoying conversions that were mentioned. (creating lot's of silly collections from insignificant and inconsistent tags that it happened to find in a single EPUB).

You will find this issue discussed in this thread, along with my notes on how to disable Tag->To->Collection conversions in Calibre.

Interesting.
So, without Calibre, I guess the creation of collections (shelves) is just as manually a task on any Sony as it is on the Kindle and the Nook?

[sonyreaderfan]

Originally Posted by ST-One

Interesting.
So, without Calibre, I guess the creation of collections (shelves) is just as manually a task on any Sony as it is on the Kindle and the Nook?

Books you buy automatically to go into a collection if the publisher tags it. So theoretically if you buy books in a series, they will go into the same collection the publisher has set.

So if you're lazy and want to do no collection creation/arrangement at all, you can just let me publisher sort the books for you and go according to the publishers' schema.

[Poppaea]

Originally Posted by sonyreaderfan

Books you buy automatically to go into a collection if the publisher tags it. So theoretically if you buy books in a series, they will go into the same collection the publisher has set.

So if you're lazy and want to do no collection creation/arrangement at all, you can just let me publisher sort the books for you and go according to the publishers' schema.

So I was right about it?

[John F]

Originally Posted by sonyreaderfan

Books you buy automatically to go into a collection if the publisher tags it. So theoretically if you buy books in a series, they will go into the same collection the publisher has set.

So if you're lazy and want to do no collection creation/arrangement at all, you can just let me publisher sort the books for you and go according to the publishers' schema.

Could you name a book/series where the publisher actually did this? More importantly what is the mechanism that enables it?

Originally Posted by Poppaea

So I was right about it?

My guess is your both wrong , and you read each others posts and think your right.

[John F]

Originally Posted by ST-One

Interesting.
So, without Calibre, I guess the creation of collections (shelves) is just as manually a task on any Sony as it is on the Kindle and the Nook?

Except the Sony has Reader Library which makes arranging collections much easier.

[ST-One]

Originally Posted by John F

Except the Sony has Reader Library which makes arranging collections much easier.

Which is a very handy tool, I'd guess, but I'm talking about on-device creation of collections, since that is - or so it seems, going by what others wrote here - so much more worse on the Nook than on the various Sonys.

[sonyreaderfan]

Originally Posted by John F

Could you name a book/series where the publisher actually did this? More importantly what is the mechanism that enables it?


My guess is your both wrong , and you read each others posts and think your right.

I guess I'll bow to the wisdom of the crowd. If everyone on the forum says that no publishers put books into collections as Delphin says, I guess that's the case. I was recalling from memory where that happened, but memory can be faulty.

[JSWolf]

After playing with a nook STR yesterday, I have to strongly say Sony over nook because the font rendering engine in the nook does not render as well as it does on the 650. Using Charis SIL as the font, the nook looks awful in comparison.

[anamardoll]

Originally Posted by ST-One

Which is a very handy tool, I'd guess, but I'm talking about on-device creation of collections, since that is - or so it seems, going by what others wrote here - so much more worse on the Nook than on the various Sonys.

*sigh*

Your entire argument has been that if you stop using the many advantages that the Sony device offers then you don't have those advantages anymore.

If we say you're right, can we move on?

I will admit it freely: if you don't use Calibre (or something similar) software to send tags to the Sony reader, then you get to put the collections on the device manually, not wholly unlike the Nook.

Of course, the process is STILL better on the Sony because you can zip directly to the "Zs" or whatever with the Sony rather than having to page over 15+ times on the Nook through your giant library.

But, no, you're right: if you turn off all the advantages of Sony, it becomes significantly less advantageous. Also, if you hit it with a hammer a few times, it sucks then too.

[ST-One]

Originally Posted by anamardoll

*sigh*

Your entire argument has been that if you stop using the many advantages that the Sony device offers then you don't have those advantages anymore.

If we say you're right, can we move on?

I will admit it freely: if you don't use Calibre (or something similar) software to send tags to the Sony reader, then you get to put the collections on the device manually, not wholly unlike the Nook.

Of course, the process is STILL better on the Sony because you can zip directly to the "Zs" or whatever with the Sony rather than having to page over 15+ times on the Nook through your giant library.

But, no, you're right: if you turn off all the advantages of Sony, it becomes significantly less advantageous. Also, if you hit it with a hammer a few times, it sucks then too.

As I said, it would be nice if the Nook had an auto-create-shelves function like that.

The point is, it would require people to use PCs and some sort of library-programme - which isn't a problem or a big deal for any of us here but is actually something you think the average customers don't want to put up with (going by your comment about 'forced side-loading' [connecting to a PC] in one of the Pottermore-threads).

For the 'average customer' the simple (without PC and extra software) on-device handling of books is the best option. If you say it's better on your Sony than on the NookClassic I have to take your word for it, since I can't compare them.

[anamardoll]

Originally Posted by ST-One

As I said, it would be nice if the Nook had an auto-create-shelves function like that.

The point is, it would require people to use PCs and some sort of library-programme - which isn't a problem or a big deal for any of us here but is actually something you think the average customers don't want to put up with (going by your comment about 'forced side-loading' [connecting to a PC] in one of the Pottermore-threads).

For the 'average customer' the simple (without PC and extra software) on-device handling of books is the best option. If you say it's better on your Sony than on the NookClassic I have to take your word for it, since I can't compare them.

I don't like forced side-loading because I think customers should have options.

With Sony you have the option to take advantage of sideloading metadata. You can use it or not as the need arises. With the PRS+ overlay, you can also use folder browsing in place of metadata, which is my system for my PocketBook reader.

With the Nook, you don't have as many options. You can't sideload metadata. You can't easily set up your shelves (because you can't drill to specific books, or even to "books that start with Z"). You can't back the shelves up. To my knowledge, the Nook has been locked down so thoroughly that you can't easily overlay something like PRS+ on it, though you CAN root the Simple Touch, so there's that.

I'm strongly in favor of customer options. What touched off this ENTIRE shelves debate was me saying I didn't understand why Nook/Kobo didn't provide more shelving options a la Sony. You took exception to that and decided to argue that if you don't use some of the Sony options then those options stop existing. Or something. Frankly, I can't follow the logic there.

Sony has multiple options when it comes to shelving data. The Nook -- as far as I know -- has one. If that ONE is great for you, then lovely. But if it's not, then it's a real pain in the @$$ for the consumer.

I'm not going to argue how many people will / won't use the other options because it's not relevant to the fact that one device has it and the other doesn't. Period. That's all. You're the one who wants to make it into a huge "NOOK VS SONY" smackdown when all I was doing was musing over how odd I thought it was that Nook/Kobo hadn't cottoned on to the fact that a lot of folks round these parts like their metadata.

[ST-One]

Originally Posted by anamardoll

I'm not going to argue how many people will / won't use the other options because it's not relevant

of course it's relevant.

[anamardoll]

Originally Posted by ST-One

of course it's relevant.

Well, feel free to have that conversation with yourself then.

I made my point that an option that I, personally, use on my Sony does not exist on the Nook/Kobo. You are welcome to run down what percentage of the eReader consumer base would like that option on your own -- it's not a subject that interests me.

[ST-One]

Originally Posted by anamardoll

Well, feel free to have that conversation with yourself then.

I made my point that an option that I, personally, use on my Sony does not exist on the Nook/Kobo. You are welcome to run down what percentage of the eReader consumer base would like that option on your own -- it's not a subject that interests me.

Thank god, you don't take yourself too important.